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hello I'm Gustavo Tolosa and I am in Sacramento California yesterday it was the conference the healthy get healthy Sacramento that Linda Miller works organizes and it was great to hear four speakers and I'm going back to Dallas today I'm Gustavo Tolosa and today we have dr. Doug Lyall and we're all excited to hear him as many times we can get a hold of him and he was one of the speakers yesterday and it was wonderful to hear you dr. Lyle and today we have a wonderful topic but welcome how are you doing today good great great to see Gustavo yeah it's always nice so today we're talking you're talking about something that that I think it's difficult for every human being which is change and changing habits changing ideas you know so the topic is secrets to positive change I know you have a lot of good stuff to share with us so go at it okay there's a lot that goes through this a lot to think about when it comes to making changes so a lot of people in the mcdougal program are already making those changes and so what we want to do though is to understand or but some people may be contemplating change or they fiddle with it they put their foot in the water for a little bit and then it comes back out so what today I'm going to do is I'm going to talk about change in general and so that we can really understand it and understand what things we should be focusing on when it comes to making positive changes the first of all I'm gonna be some heroes of mine John TV and leda cosmides who are are these fabulous psychologists at the University of California of Santa Barbara have a way of explaining human nature that is has been somewhat unique here in the last 25 years and what they say is in order for you to understand somebody's position it's useful for you to understand who are they arguing against so I'm gonna tell you who I'm arguing against and then I'm gonna explain then I'll explain my argument and that's that's maybe a useful way for people understand why I belabor the points that I do and the people that I'm arguing against are the position that you're going to make change by making some major changes about yourself or your personality through some spectacular insight about maybe something that changed for the wrong thirty years ago in your history this is uh this is a very deep dynamic sort of dark view of human nature is that something bad happened and that you got on the wrong track and that's what's stopping you now some moment in time when some some disappointing terrible thing happened this doesn't make a lot of sense to biologists and it doesn't make a lot of sense to modern psychologists who think the way I do so now I'll we're going to now reverse field now you know what I'm arguing against what I'm arguing against is that the key to positive changes is some deep insight that we're gonna have about some terrible thing in your history instead what we're gonna look at is we're going to look at what I believe are the sources of positive change now or change in general the reason why people do whatever they do it any minute their lives is because they're running a cost-benefit analysis they're actually if you're going to decide to go to the gym you're gonna decide to go to the gym based on an estimation of the costs involved in this case the time and energy that you'll expended doing that versus the benefits that you think that you're going to get from doing this and it's a complicated analysis so if you thought that you could go to the gym and exercise for half an hour and then lose 10 pounds everybody would be down there it would be a problem in fact if you really thought that you were going to lose one pound people would be down there and put in there half an hour without any trouble at all and people would lose weight like crazy and everybody would be spelled beautiful that's how it would work the reason why that doesn't happen is because it's not true people run the cost-benefit analysis and they find out through their own efforts that if you go down to the gym that you don't lose a pound that isn't how it works so if you go to the gym four times this week you're not four pounds lighter if you are you quickly find out that that was water weight because if you do it for three straight weeks in a row you're not down 12 pounds so people run cost-benefit analysis and the cost-benefit analysis is what decides what it is that they're going to do so they essentially make an assessment of the costs and they make an assessment of the benefits this is why it is that you do everything this is actually the nature of the human mind and it goes beyond this it's the nature of all Minds in other words this is what animals do is they run cost-benefit analysis on every flicker of every whisker of every animal that ever lived the reason why they flicker that whisker is that there's been a cost-benefit analysis now it's not the kind of they don't have the conscious play-by-play announcer in their heads the way that we do about our cost-benefit analysis in other words we have what we can actually be thinking in English or Spanish or whatever it el else it is we are aware to some degree of the cost-benefit analysis that we're running but our conscious our conscious awareness is only the tip of the iceberg on how subtle that cost-benefit analysis is the turns out that experiments in psychology have shown that if we use an MRI machine we can actually predict as much as 10 seconds in advance what a person is going to do in a decision and we can know before they know what they're going to do in other words if you ask them to report their decision as fast they have made it they will finally tell you okay I'm going to pick the blue the blue poster over the red poster it's going to turn out that you if you were staring at an MRI machine of their brain you could have predicted what they were going to do ten seconds before they did it okay so this starts to tell us that the cost-benefit analysis is actually both complicated and it's also largely unconscious so now we're gonna we're going to take this back to the notion of positive changes so let's suppose we have someone who's wanting to change their diet or for example they're wanting to quit smoking or they're wanting to institute an exercise program etc whatever is it they're that they're doing what's happening is their mind is running a complicated cost-benefit analysis all the time and they have many considerations to take care of they've got two kids they've got to get into school they've got a husband or a wife they've got a job they've got a boss they've got Church they've got they've got a class that they're taking they've got relatives they've got some pain in the neck in-laws they have all kinds of things that they're considering about that are involved in actually every decision that they make so are you gonna go run run back to the store because you ran out of Yukon Gold potatoes well maybe not because I've got to get to sleep because I've got a got to got to get to work early the next day this is actually what's happening is that the mind is making multitudes of decisions based on a lot of moving parts and a lot of details and what what we're going to try to do is we're going to try to actually shift the pattern of behavior in a positive direction away from what I'm gonna call equilibrium so we see that people's lives in general are highly repetitive that they make the same decisions over and over again and they have the very same pattern over and over again the reason why that's true is not because they're lazy not because they're not inspired or they've got some emotional block generally what's happening is is that they are in a cost-benefit equilibrium that the basic factors of their life are pretty stable it's the same people it's the same job it's the same kids it's the same in-laws it's the same refrigerator and it's the same Tupperware and as a result what's going to happen is is that behavior is going to tend to be highly repetitive because the cost-benefit analysis is about the same that there's no radical change in the costs or the benefits from day to day so therefore if a person has been sort of flaky on their program for the last three months it's very likely that it's gonna be flaky on their program the next three months because the very same cost-benefit analysis that led to the flakiness in the last three months is going to be the same cost-benefit that it's going to be involved in the next three months they have the very same decisions to make about what things to sacrifice in which things to pursue as they did before so what's the key to positive change kita positive changes to change the factors that are involved in the cost-benefit analysis so let me give you an example of where we see radical positive change so this helps us get insight into how this works my friend dr. Alan Goldhamer is he's got it's not truly a sadistic streak but it's something that is a little bit like it and that is that if you call him up and you say dr. Goldhamer I've I'm in the mcdougal program and I'm I'm trying hard to do this but I'm I'm struggling with with really making these changes and and he says okay well join the club we've got another 10,000 people behind you and you say I'm thinking about maybe coming in to tutor North or were to come to the mcdougal program and you'll say good idea and they'll say what pain are you in if you say oh I'm not in any pain he's very disappointed yeah he's like that's really too bad it's you're not in any pain here's what he loves to hear I'm in an excruciating pain okay I think I have ulcerative colitis nothing makes my friend dr. Alan Goldhamer happier than to hear that you're an excruciating pain then he's happy about you going to one of these programs and he'll tell you please come to one of the programs whether it's ours or someone else's because you will probably get a lot better fast this is what we see at the mcdougal program so often we have people come in and if they're in pain they can be out of pain within that the 10-day program nothing makes a doctor happier than watching you get out of pain and nothing makes these plant-based doctors happier than this happening because they know that the pain getting rid of the pain is a tremendous benefit and this acts like a guidance system inside of people's behavior to make them unbelievably compliant so I cannot tell you how many people I have seen over the years out of these programs where where what happens is is because the pain is removed they have a magnificent experience over the next year as they do a great job if you come in and you're in no pain at all you're just doing this for some personal growth this is gonna be a lot harder because the motivation is not as great this doesn't mean your own weaker person it just means that the cost benefit analysis won't change as easily this is also reason why we have we're going to generally have more success with people to come to an inpatient a program like the 10 day program because they can get to see fairly significant changes that will take place during their time there and so as a result at the end they're more inspired because they have better touch with the benefits the problem is is that if you if you had significant health problems and we can change them in a day as a result of changing your dietary patterns in a day we would have a great deal more success but the issue is the body's pretty tough and it's usually in some kind of a compromised state and what it's doing okay mediocre diet the person is doing and one day of dietary change a lot of times isn't enough to have anything significant happen so it sometimes is Believe It or Not sometimes in 24 hours people that have autoimmune conditions can be much better so with digestive difficulties sometimes it's that much better very quickly those people have more motivation to change and have more success as a result of the rapid change so where are we now cost-benefit analysis so let's suppose that we're not hurting that much we don't have any significant pains we so if we make a change we're not suddenly radically out of life altering life altering circumstances because the pain is now magically been lifted so we're just a regular pretty healthy person that's God I don't know 30 or 40 or 50 pounds to lose and we have heard that the mcdougal diet is a very good lifestyle to to to use for the rest of your life and as a result we want to do this adoption we want to do it but we're finding that we're battling the cost-benefit analysis this is more standard and this is where life gets difficult of making changes because there are a bunch of costs that we're going to be adding to the equation let's look at what some of those costs are the one of the costs are going to be there's going to be social issues that are going to be difficult so suddenly we're going to be at odds with some other people to some degree we're gonna be left out we're going to be seen as a threat etc so that's why I've shot video on this question and which which I'll call Wade getting along without going along in order to coach people how it is that we're going to step around the costs that are associated with the social costs associated with with making changes also don't feel like you have to change your whole family so this is again now going to add a bunch costs to this that this is like making too big of an investment so if you think that some stock is a good investment don't put everything in it don't shove every every nickel you have into I don't know some mining stock that's supposed to go up a bunch forget it if it's a good big investment it's a good small investment so the investment for you should be to do it for yourself for a while to see what happens and you don't have to force this on your children or your relatives or your husband or anybody else in it son just go to the effort for yourself to see how it is that you feel as to whether or not you get benefits and leave everybody else along and that that's a a way to reduce the amount of social tension and social disruption that are going to be involved now now probably my favorite concept is the concept of small details as they influence cost-benefit analysis so this is uh inspired this insight was inspired by research that was done in the 1960s by a character by the name of Howard Leventhal who is an experimental social psychologist so let me let me describe what it is that he did so that we can appreciate what happened what he did was he was running an experiment on the influences of attitude change versus small differences in what we're going to call channel factors or factors associated with the execution and behavior the so this is what he did he had two presentations I believe they were videotaped of a person like a professor explaining to a class why it is that they should get a tetanus shot so they've got two presentations for like 60 minutes and they're exactly the same except at the end of one of the presentations what they added for 30 seconds was the following instructions they said by the way there will be on in in the first in the first condition they said oh and by the way there are tetanus shots available for the next two weeks over at the Student Health Center that's it that's what they said in the second condition the same 60-minute presentation at the end they said oh and by the way there are tetanus shots available over the health center for the next two weeks think about when you could fit that into your schedule in the next two weeks and here is a map as you leave the building today the the TAS will be handing you a map that will show you where the health center is think through when it would be convenient for you to stop by that's it so the two same presentations 60 minutes of outpouring of persuasive messages about why this was so important and then at the end the difference is stop by the Health Center the next two weeks or stop by the Health Center the next two weeks think about when it would fit into your schedule and here's a map of where the Student Health Center is Wow who on earth would think that there would be any difference between these two groups and their outcomes so let's look at the score and see if we can learn something about positive change from this experiment it turns out in the first condition that 3% of the people showed up at the health center over the next two weeks okay not surprising persuasive appeals usually have very small rates of return I guess the Reverend Billy Graham just passed away this was a sort of an extraordinary person that spent his life on the stump basically trying to persuade people to to join his his church and it turns out that in studies that have been done of mr. Graham that generally when he would have a hundred thousand people in the Rose Bowl for example that less than one scented people would be making any changes that that's what they were able to determine so despite how how talented and how beautiful a persuasive appeal usually is the impact is usually quite small and so Howard Levin Thals steadies showing a three percent impact on this is not surprising at all the was actually a pretty good impact now now we're going to go we could have a little drumroll in the background as we're going to now look at what happens to the group that got 30 more seconds of instructions it's all they got they got a map and they we're told think when in the next two weeks you might be able to stop by they would be convenient in your schedule that group 27% of people showed up nine times the amount of people showed up in a second group than in the first group this is very important folks this is what we call channel factors thinking behavior is running in channels down a mountainside and if you have a big rock in the way though the water will can't go past that rock it goes around it and goes somewhere else behavior is similar it flows down the paths of least resistance and so this this has been named channel factors by experimental social psychologists as they're aware at how important it is these very small channels of the translation of attitude into action there is small impediments can make an enormous difference in how often an attitude gets which in this case obviously the attitude that the kids needed to do something about this it was actually pretty hot the persuasive appeal was excellent what was happening though is the translation into action was extremely small because there were some pediments those impediments were not massive they were actually very small impediments and so it turns out that very fine details wind up being the secrets of change not big massive cataclysmic changes of personality or insight it turns out that the secrets have changed a positive change lay in the fine details so now I'm going to talk about another one of my heroes I've got a whole bunch of them the experimental social psychologist Richard Nisbett and Lee Ross Lee Ross at Stanford University and Richard Nisbett University of Michigan were the Masters of pointing out to psychologists that these channel factors are all important in understanding changes in behavior yeah later on I would translate the concept channel factors into what you you all have recognized is what I call energy conservation so effectively that's what channel factors are is they're little features of energy that we'd be required to get something done and if that energy is up just a little bit then what happens is the cost just goes up in the cost benefit analysis and the behavior gets stopped so I like to think of this as moving a refrigerator against a very slick floor and let's suppose it doesn't have wheels it has just those little little metal pads that it sits on little four feet and you're sliding it across a very slick concrete floor and you can do it without too much effort and then you run into a tiny little piece of sand on the floor that hits one of those little metal feet and suddenly you're stopped okay the tiniest little thing stops you just because it's now going to require more energy to get past that and your ability to move that refrigerator just got stopped so fine details of energy expenditure wind up being important when it comes to the execution of behavior now the another one of my heroes in this life is the great basketball coach the late basketball coach John Wooden of UCLA he looked at the the problem of coaching quite a bit differently than the people that had come before him and he is now he's now recognized as the most influential athletics coach that has ever lived let me tell you about how it is that he saw things because it's very important for us the wooden saw a problem of coaching as problems of very very fine details he he was not inspirational previous to wooden the concept of coaching was to be very inspirational and to the famous Knute Rockne at Notre Dame was was known for making fiery speeches and having having to tell them that they should win one for the Gipper all this sort of thing that this was the glory of coaching was how inspiring that you could be John Wooden was much more like a minister he like a like a very quiet little English professor that he was he was very fastidious and how it is that he organized things because his attitude was I can't inspire you if you if you don't love to do this and you don't want to do this I'm not going to talk it into you my job is to make sure that you can be successful my job is to actually set up situations where you are very likely to execute the behavior well over and over again and that's what I'm here to do so he looked at the NCAA rule book and I told them that he had two hours and 15 minutes for practice for his varsity and he knew that there was about 120 days he knew exactly how many days it was and he began the year by realizing he had whatever that was 242 and a half hours legally in order to create a national champion that's what he had to do he had a he had a certain players that he had and he had two hundred and forty two and a half hours or whatever this was down to the minute that's the time that he had now some other coach which is cheap but not John Wooden he wasn't gonna do it he basically this is what I'm gonna do this is the parameters and this is specifically my job is to make the most of the time than I have with these players so Wooden's practices were organized far better than anybody's practices that were in history he would analyze each player and think through their weaknesses where it is they they should be spending most of their time on on God in practice and he would organize his practice like an inner woven ballet and he have stationed drills where the players would only do something for about two or three minutes because after that they would get bored with it so he would have this organized like a Swiss watch and to explain just how organized this was he would have the situation would be that some other coach would would have to move the balls around so the they'd have to roll the balls from one end of the floor to the other because now we're going to work at the other side of the basketball court Wooden's team never had to roll balls anywhere because it was all organized in advance where the balls would be so they didn't have to spend the 15 seconds rolling a ball from one end to the court to the other if you can imagine how intricately this was designed so that not a single second would be wasted that's how he did it that's amazing I was I played basketball in high in high school a little bit in college my coaches weren't anything like that they didn't even remotely try to do anything of the kind they'd sit there and talk to us for five minutes and explain what they wanted this is never how a wooden team was coached witness teams were coached like a Swiss watch and the players even 30 years later will tell you that there was nothing like a wooden practice that they'd loved them because it was the feeling of achievement that came with making the most of every second for two hours and 15 minutes was exhilarating and they never had that experience again in their lives now the this is these are the keys to positive change and that is be meticulously organist get things organized so that we are working on things and things are flowing very well there are there are many people that are very good at this kind of thing with respect to food chef AJ you know can show you all kinds of things to do and get things organized well Jeff netic at the 10-day program is spectacular at explaining how it is that you need to put things in your freezer you need to rotate things through so that you always have something that you made two weeks ago coming up here's an example of this just in case you guys thought that I was completely incompetent haha just close in the kitchen this is a Novick inspired thing it's a spaghetti was made on Monday 1:22 so I made a big bunch of it and then I have high-quality Tupperware that has the right amount that that that can be frozen so that when I unfreeze this it's going to be good for basically two days worth of spaghetti so it's all organized in this way so I've got a bunch of stuff in the freezer I've got usually three different entrees rotating through there so that something good is always coming up that I haven't had for a week or two and it's it's circling back around this is a Jeff explained to me how to do this and it's uh it's life-saving in terms of way less energy being expended on this problem as we now have essentially a conveyor belt of fine details where I'm now doing less work the remember channel factors and remember the channel factors are about energy conservation and fundamentally if the energy expended has to be just a little bit too much then we can stop the behavior we saw that 24 out of the 27 percent of children in college kids in Group one that would have gone to the health center to get their shot did not go because of 30 seconds worth of consideration that they did not do this is the planning this is the meticulous detail and this is where it is that when we are trying to figure out why we are not executing an attitude that we very much want to turn into action which is what the mcdougal program is healthy living or new a new attack on weight and getting in better shape and changing our life for the positive we intend to wait for some big and spa process that is going to have this cataclysmic change and then now we're going to go for broke etc and now now we're going to make this big personal change this is rarely what causes positive personal changes I'm not going to say that it can't happen I'm just gonna say that it usually doesn't most positive changes happen as a result of very fine details of somebody taking the time and energy to actually change something so the cost-benefit analysis that we're confronting on these daily practices of healthy living wind up getting shifted in a positive direction so here's the kind of little details I've thought about these things as I was thinking about giving this talk this morning get Amazon to deliver good stuff on your schedule so if you are getting bogged down by shopping have somebody else do it for you I find that they can pick my produce just as well as I can pick it for myself so let's make sure that we don't run out of apples and oranges and bananas and things like that the we can have excellent Tupperware okay so let's not have stuff that doesn't really do a good job closing and then we freeze stuff and then it has freezer burn etc let's make sure that it's all really good and let's make sure that we've got the Tupperware in a variety of sizes so that it's the right sizes for the problems that you need to solve so that's the right size for me for two really good servings of pasta that's the size that I needed to put my pasta sauce in if I put it in a big old honkin thing then I don't even want to unfreeze it because now it's more pasta sauce than I want and now I feel like I'm gonna waste it and I don't even use it okay these are the little channel factors that wind up stopping people from executing behaviors I have a good feeling today I'm taking this out of the freezer right now this morning I decided hey I'm gonna now now defrost that today and by this evening I'm gonna have I'm gonna be working on a two big servings of pasta for myself over the next couple days and it's variety so now the notion if I have a big old pot of soup and I've got it in there all week you know that's not the way I'm going to do things because by the time I have three or four helpings to something I'm done so it's not so good to depend upon who you are that isn't necessarily a good strategy good strategy is to have it saved so that you can then rotate it through and you can have novelty and variety in in a stream that makes sense to you John Wooden would make sure that he had those stationed drills not too long okay I played for other coaches but they would also they learned about station drills but they would have their station drills go on for a long time and kids would be getting bored after 5 or 7 or 10 minutes at a station drill doing a single fundamental like just rebounding off the board and and then trying to land on two feet and make a pivot it's like after five minutes you're totally bored and you're doing a sloppy job okay but instead he he figured out over the years how long to do the station drills for so that it kept interesting and then moved to the next drill so all very interesting the principles of success are translatable from one problem to the next as I'm sure dr. Tolosa here can tell any aspiring pianist that there are drills that you need to do that are the keys to success and you need to do them but but also as a teacher you know you have to move the problems around so that they're interesting beyond for people who are well-to-do and have very busy lives for goodness sakes hire a cook and now that that may not be wise for most of us because it might not make sense financially or logistically for various reasons but there are people for whom that is exactly the right solution so that what you need to have is you need to have healthy food in your kitchen easily available the last thing you need to do if you come home and you're a neurosurgeon is to decide that you're going to have to start chopping up a bunch of vegetables and and face that for for an hour and 20 minutes no have it done for you etc now if you're gonna travel you might want to have some some healthy frozen food available for you plant pure nation or something like that the let me see what other issues I'm going to talk about the those are we've talked about the mcdougal program for years having a menu for a week with the shopping list associated with it and maybe two of them so that we don't get bored so we have menu a and menu being we rotate those through your life these are all a lot of people won't do this and that's fine and and they won't necessarily fail but I expect that not as often everyone is often get things done in a routine fashion and get into a really good group the people that have a lot of success in this are not people that make some cataclysmic decision where it is that they have this transfer more transformative psycho experience that now suddenly they do it what happens instead is they make small detail changes and is beginning to make small detailed changes they find themselves now suddenly they are doing things differently because the tupper works better or they clean out the the pantry and just get rid of all kinds of crap and now there's room for the materials that you need to store the things that you need and it's easily accessible ok so we get a bunch of stuff out of the refrigerator that you don't need now there's a room for everything that we can easily reach in there and get the things that we want to get otherwise there's too much crap in the way these are these small factors on all clothes with a with a story that I've told before about a woman that came to the 10-day program who is raising seven sons in the Midwest seven times they went to the well and hoping to get a daughter and no luck seven and oh so she's raising seven sons and she told us a story that paying attention to these these energy factors was very useful she she had had trying to get these boys to eat some grapes so she put him in a big spitting spaghetti colander and put him in there and rinsed him off and put him in the refrigerator nobody ate him and she thought you know just wonder if if this energy thing would work so she actually went to the trouble of picking them all off of the stock and just putting them in a bowl and she said they were gone in no time now this is remarkable and I've noticed myself that when it comes to eating apples I'm not wild about eating apples because it's a little bit challenging I'm always worried about hurting my teeth pulling on my front teeth because one of my front teeth isn't isn't too healthy since I as my sister mocks me in the mouth I don't think of her kids so I've got a tooth that's not too great of shape and so I'm always a little bit worried about it and and also it gets sticky and then sometimes the skin can get between a couple of your teeth and it hurts it's like yeah I'm not too wild about biting into an apple but if you core an apple and you have those nice slices oh well then I'm all excited about eating those slices so I have three apple cores now so that when one's in that in the dishwasher there's still I know there's another couple of them in the drawer and I eat far more apples since I have an apple corer than before I had an apple corer so these are this is an example of the little of tiny details that can be responsible for us to make positive changes they are the secrets to positive change because nobody's looking for them and this isn't just the this isn't just for health this is for everything but this is the the tiny little details paying attention to the small details can very often be the difference between a pattern of success towards change and a pattern have continued equilibrium where the very same challenges wind up in our lives and we never shake loose to them so hopefully this is will inspire you a little bit to go out and focus on making some of these positive changes get the right pots get the right Tupperware get the right apple corer I get things organized and start moving towards a life you deserve thank you you're get looker bye oh very insightful and you know you mentioned something that I think you've mentioned in other lectures about having someone else cook for you or at least Chopin Kafka you know maybe it doesn't have to be a chef that you hire maybe it could be a college student or a high school you know that I think that I've heard you mention that yes yeah that's what that's what I've had from time to time yeah they rotate they they fall in love and leave you you know I mean right Ava's dead you know I'm always circling around looking for someone that that is uh some young inspired person that is interested in that is looking broad or a modest paying job and a very often I'll have someone that does this and admit it takes a bunch of the burden off and this is this this makes life easier makes it makes it better yes yes it certainly does but the techniques that shed that Jeff nobec gives about cooking meals and put them in the freezer like you're saying yeah wonderful someone was asking earlier what kind of pasta you use yes um I have like a combination of soy whole wheat pasta that's that's what I use yeah I will cook I'll cook up a pretty big pot of it and it will last we're probably about ten days so I'll have probably Ollie plows are probably three times over those ten days whatever I make it right I'm saying here are you limiting in any way say your quantity of pasta what do you do if your sensors are not telling you I'm satisfied after having that big meal of totally compliant food yes I think you talked about that yesterday yes this is I would go back to the September 2017 webinar the Gustavo and I did call the condition crammed right look at that because if you are if you've eaten totally compliant food in your fall and then probably I'm gonna under the this is in the evening that you find yourself getting into the granola bars or whatever it is afterwards look at the condition cram for the answer to that question yeah and as we close dr. Lyle I just wanna remind everybody that of course I think most people here know but we always have new people that you are the psychologist for the mcdougal wellness program you also work at through North L center and then you have a website called is Team Dynamics that I will type here for people to see and and that they can have a session with you by phone and I can tell you all 30 minutes with dr. Lyle or an hour will certainly help you transform your life like your health so take advantage of that I'll type it here I also want to let everybody know that there are programs coming up at the Rondo Golf Center the ten day program the three day intensive program so go to the website and check those out and thank you again dr. Lyle for being here for us today that was great my pleasure thank you for having me stop and I'll see you next month all right very good and this webinar will be sent to all of you as a replay by tonight or tomorrow okay thank you see if that's all right bye-bye
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