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all right good evening everybody it's Nate G with the beat your Dean's podcast along with dr. Doug Lyall dr. Lyle how are you doing today good get good to be back excellent and so today we are talking about what will the future look like and we are going to be talking about a couple of articles we'll have some questions at the end if we need to but I think we should cover the show with this topic fairly easily so the big question how this show came about is you and I were talking the phone after podcast and I had a question for you and the question was dr. Weil what do you think the world will look like a thousand years from now so I'm asking you I mean what what we're gonna be talking about is what this world looks like a thousand years now but to get this conversation started we got a question from one of our listeners who by the way drew us a beautiful picture of herself stick figure of herself asking us to raid her from a scale of 0 to 10 and it was just a fantastic guy I was more than happy you know a little bit of the redhead you know the the proportions were not right so I did end up grading her a 4 out of 10 but Jeff told me she's going to work really hard and try to get to a six so I really appreciate that dr. Lyle and there you go excellent well so she sent us a question with this with all of us and here here goes since the primary goal for each human is to maximize the highest gene quality survival dr. Lyle do you think it's possible that our next evolution will be to maintain our own gene quality in both designer children and maybe even gene enhancement in ourselves in other words would it not naturally follow that we will at least attempt to make ourselves into our own super genes actually yeah she's a there's good question I mean somebody's really putting their thinking cap on the there they're not understanding something about motivation so and how genes work so this there may be designer jeans and things like that that take place in the future however it will not be a essentially a natural product it's not some kind of inevitable process there there's a mistake in in her thinking the issue is is that people do not let me let me see how I can say this what it's not confusing you you are designed to to enjoy things that will result in more gene of your genes being on the planet you are not designed to get more genes on the planet in other words you're not designed to be thinking about how to get genes on the planet what you are designed with is blind unconscious programs and the program's simply work they cause animals to do things and the programs you could have an animal do all kinds of different things you could have you can have a cat just chase its tail all day long it would not be hard to design that you know for a series of mutations to come about where that's what the cat does and to chases wiggly things that are written so why not chase its tail you'll actually occasionally see that obviously and we think it's funny the but but what's what's important to understand is is that you don't have a a consciously directed motive to increase the quality of your genes or to reproduce your genes or anything else in the Sun what you have you don't have any motives that are directly a genes you have motives that result in increased statistical likelihood of genes survival so when you are attracted to it attractive member of the opposite sex and you want to have sex with them you're you are not thinking genes now in these days we do because in the last 100 years we found out that there are genes and then we found out genes have are you know highly related to gene variances are related to physical attractiveness etc etc so now we can talk that way but the truth is throughout the evolutionary history of all animals on earth all the what we have is a thing called lust and lust is associated with the thing that we're called beauty and retracted miss and so you're simply you're designed by nature to seek gratification drives that take place as a result of having neural circuits that were built by genes to be sensitive to certain kinds of environmental inputs so you you are so you are in no way our people designed to say well gee how can I get more genes on the planet no they're just designed for lust and they are not designed to figure out okay how can I make my genes better somehow and maybe I can replace some of my genes with other genes from somebody else and we can use a computer and then I can have really attractive children but you know at that point they're not your children because we borrowed genes from other people and implanted them and kicked your genes away so the so that's what I'm as hard without a group of people listening to me and I could see their faces whether or not people are understanding what I'm saying the channel to me what you're saying what I was thinking was was isn't there going to be some scientists out there who are like well you know I think that conscientiousness is really valuable and so I'm going to try to tweak these genes to make everybody you know more conscientious or whatever the personality oh yeah okay let's uh let's look also look at the idea of monkeying consciously talked down with the genetic code the undoubtedly people will do this and they're going to find that there will be be some problems with it that are going to be unpredictable that's because you don't have one gene for one characteristic you have a gene that influences a whole slew of characteristics so you can't say well gee I want the genes that give us you know I don't know you know in George Clooney's eyes you can't do that because the it's going to turn out that you then you might wind up with George Clooney's cousin's cancer okay so you the genes are having every gene is having multiple influences all over the body and unpredictable ways and so that's a that's why we can't there will be the come down here and do a little bit of top-down fiddling with the genetic code once in a blue moon they may find they will find a very few disease processes not very many they'll find a very few disease processes that are associated with a single gene and the day may come when that when those genes are identified that we may be we may be clever enough to actually deactivate or somehow other words do genetic engineering so that that child does not die that disease that's a that's a futuristic possibility but that will not be the case with almost any disease process because the disease processes will be interactions between many Suites of genes with environmental inputs so yeah it's not so there is no quote natural process by which we're going to start nitpicking around and trying to make our genes fancier we were never designed to make our genes fancier we were designed to simply follow our lust and in doing so we enabled our genes to compete effectively in succeeding generations so people people people actually can consciously do things like lift weights in junior high school try to get bigger and stronger so that they can get the football team so they can wear you know big shoulder pads and have number 12 on their jerseys so that they attract them girls will see that they're competitive there so that they can get laid in other words they are capable of chaining together a slew of sub sub actions that are all directed at getting laid however the truth of the matter is the the only reason that they're really doing this is that they also love the competitive process itself in other words they they are designed by nature to not only want to have sex with the attractive young women but they're also designed by nature to enjoy the rough-and-tumble competitive process with other males okay and so in other words so it's this is where where these motivational systems are actually integrated with an endpoint that animal don't even have a conscious recognition that there is some end point out there so when two mice meet each other two male mice meet each other and start fighting they aren't thinking gee the winner is going to get to get laid that's not on their minds they actually simply like to fight okay they like to fight because it turns out that fighting then is reliably correlated with whether or not they mate so but they're not this is not a conscious this is not a conscious target human beings love to do many things and even though they may be aware that there is a essentially a sexual payoff in the end of it the the drive to do the things is not consciously directly associated with the sexual payoff the drive to do those things is because those things are inherently reinforcing processes competitive processes or otherwise interesting processes the arts singing dancing in other words was showing off is what it is that people love to do and it isn't showing off necessarily consciously directed at sexual activity it's showing off conscious you know essentially directed at status and also with the love of the competitive actions themselves so anyway I hope that makes a lot of sense to me yeah in other words what I'm understanding is number one because the the genetic code is just so complex that it would um extremely rare to be able to affect one particular aspect that we can see with our eyes or with our ears because it would have something else you might get brilliantly attractive eyes but you might grow three arms just kidding that's correct yeah but exactly right but what you're also saying is that there really isn't a motivation to make our genes better through scientific experiments it would actually our motivation is actually to just mate with better genes than we currently have got it understood okay excellent well excellent so so tell me dr. Lisle how do you see society in the thousand years from now about do it yeah a thousand is so far out I can't even imagine I have no imagination that the because the technological advances we are going to be so incredible that it's beyond imagining the what I can do is I can look out certainly a hundred years and I can look out a couple hundred years and there will be some things happening in the next hundred years that are relevant to people that are living today and the reason they're going to be relevant to people living today is because there's people living today that are 10 15 years old and there's people living today that are 50 years old but have a grandchild that's 5 ok and so let me give you an example of how this information that I will give you today could be actually quite useful to a lot of people so let's suppose we are 50 year old and we've got a five year old or two year old grandchild and we are you know we've got we're doing okay financially and we're looking at our retirement but we're also concerned about our grandchild and whether or not our son or daughter is saving enough for their college education you know that's going to come come along in another 15 years because you know we're trying to leverage we're actually trying to use our time and energy in order to aid and abet our personal genes survival so these grandchildren are little vehicles for our genes and we want to help them be more competitive and so we're designed by nature to do that so that's long before anybody knew about genes grandmothers or gossiping with everybody in the village about how great their grandkid is as opposed to everybody else's grandkid I can't tell you how many grandkids I have heard reported that they're prodigies that they that they started speaking really early that they walked earlier than other kids in other words there's just absolutely no end to the Braga tree that goes on with with people about their children part oh you're not going to believe this but my little sister apparently was said to have cured polio when she was a little kid because it is really that's the third one I heard this week [Laughter] so that there you go okay so this is uh now so what's happening here though is that there are people that are concerned and worried about the future and whether or not their offspring grandchildren and great-grandchildren are going to have enough resources I've heard people wringing their hands about the state of the world and that you know it's just things are getting more expensive etc etc mething could be further from the truth and this is a this is a huge mistake you're a grand children now at age five here's another thing that you'll hear about Social Security is getting crook I've every read that it's going to go bankrupt I've been here and as I've been here in this since I was like 16 years old okay so this is the this is the obviously a never ending joke of anybody that has ever taken out a calculator and can do mathematics now the so let's let's look at the situation situation is that a five-year-old now is going to be looking at you know theoretically retirement in about sixty years so we might be interested in what's going to happen in sixty years but what I'm going to give people is a thing I've talked about before which is but the law of 72 which is a nice little heuristic to help you figure out interest rates and Ritz or return on investments so the law of 72 is you you take a rate of return and you multiply it by a number of years and that's if it equals 72 that tells you how many years it takes to to essentially double the the capital so at three percent rate of return it takes 24 years in order to which three times 24 is 72 that's how long it takes you to double your networks if you have a three percent rate of return if you have a six percent rate of return it's going to take you 12 years if you have a 36 percent rate of return it's going to take you two years now these numbers aren't exact but they are pretty good so it's about right that if you have a four percent rate or turn it's going to take you about 18 years to double your money now human nature under reasonable free enterprise in other words without horrendous government intervention and blood sucking out of the economy human nature basically will have a rate of return of about 3% a year this is a fairly steady quite a steady number that goes back 200 years to the dawn of the Industrial Revolution so it's not going to stop it is what it is it's not it's not going to be much better it doesn't look like we can do 4% we certainly don't have to suffer with 2% 3% is about essentially what you're looking at is how intelligent humans are when it comes to absorbing the existing information passing it on to the next generation ie teaching young people and then how how they can now take the existing information and expand the known quantity of of information with respect to anything so the other word surgery for I don't know oral surgery is going to get 3% better a year there's going to be 3 percent less complications on similar things you know pancreas cancer treatment you know actually cancer treatment you could be running up against walls and you in nature that stopped that but if you looked all over the human landscape at anything that people want to do you will find on average 3 percent increases in capability so you really could see this in something like the auto industry the auto industry just keeps making innovation after innovation after innovation after innovation and the these cars have been about $20,000 you know forever for God's sakes a mid-range car it was it was I bought myself a Toyota Camry XLE in 2002 that was 15 years ago it's about $25,000 that same cars 25 bells dollars now the government is debase the currency you know for about 3% so a year so the point is is that it's the same price except it's way way cheaper relative dollars the time that it takes to earn the money so it's basically right on cue with you know something that looks like about a 4% rate of return on innovation in the auto industry which make would make sense now so here's what we're looking at we're looking at the total ability of human beings to transform nature and to turn nature into things that human beings want to need doubling every 24 years that means it's going to go four to one in 48 years so that means that let's say the average person actually the average person that's making a very low-level skilled wage in the United States will call it $13 an hour that person is going to make the equivalent of 26 dollars an hour 24 years from now and they're going to make the equivalent of 52 dollars an hour 50 years from now so 50 years from now that that grandchild when they're entering their last year's of looking at you know looking at trying to save for their retirement or whatever what you're going to find is that the average person that's working at Starbucks will be making the equivalent of a hundred thousand dollars a year today that means that they could you know in most places in the United States they could just save for a couple three years and pay cash for a pretty decent house okay the that's what that is now you might say oh no well because the price is going to be a lot more no it's not you have to what I'm describing here is the actual amount of hours that it takes to produce the wealth and we are we are we couldn't care less about what the actual dollars are in terms of how much how much government is plated the currency and what prices look like for all we know the price of a house is going to be I don't know nine million dollars in a nice area by that time that that's not that's not what's important what's important is that that the actual innovation is going to change dramatically now people are confused about this they don't they don't understand because the nominal prices rise as a result of government inflation what we have to look at is the actual amount of time and energy that is required to for example produce a square foot of housing it is vastly less expensive to do that than it was 50 years ago if we were going to look at the the amount of time and energy that it takes in order to have a decent watch okay it is vastly less money I can remember when a transistor radio was a decent Christmas present that was not a cheap item okay in 1965 the that was actually a legitimate Christmas gift for a kid a transistor radio now is a joke okay that's like a bubblegum so the if you look at people's houses now they have three car garages all over the place not to park cars they are parking 10,000 item per household in their three-car garages they are absolutely overrun with phenomenal amounts of items they clothing that that people have now and it's expensiveness as a joke it is it is Val iterally is costing less than 5% of what clothing cost 100 years ago so what you're seeing is is that the the productivity will go four to one in 50 years and it will go eight to one in 75 years so that person as they live into their 70s everything that you want and need will cost 1/8 of what it costs now so it's it's insane what what it what would if you need $3,000 for a decent standard of living a month today if you're a retirement person you would need 1/8 of that 75 years from now so it's it's very difficult for people to conceive two things they don't have a feel from where things were like a hundred years ago it 100 years ago nobody had refrigerators a few people had cars the cars were incredibly dangerous and terrible and lousy they had punctures and the tires every few miles the people had you know horses they were still fighting on horseback in a lot of places during rule were one in Europe and people didn't live very long and he died of infectious processes etc etc in other words people were what you would consider unbelievably poor 100 years ago so what we see is this doubling every 24 years of the standard of living and people are because it happens slow enough to the human eye and their experience they don't see it from your year and people that are even my age and their fifties are not actually keeping track of things well enough they get fooled by nominal rises and prices and they feel like Oh things are more expensive TV used to only be 300 bucks well the truth of the matter is a tiny little TV it was terrible and and the TV you can buy for 300 dollars now blows it away not only that that thing only had only had a few channels so the point here is that the world is hurtling towards unbelievable wealth and it's going to be 8 to 1 in 75 years and it's going to be 16 to 1 in a hundred years and it's going to be 32 to 1 in 125 and it's going to be what 64 to 1 in 150 years and it's going to be over 100 to 1 175 years ok and it's going to be 200 to 1 and 200 years now 200 one starts to look so strange you can't even believe it so it is that a citizen in Mexico that right now earns $1 an hour is going to be earning $200 an hour equivalent they're going to be earning the equivalent of a current neurosurgeon that's going to be a day laborer with no skill okay you might say how is this possible the answer is is that robots will be building everything as they are continually building more and more and more and more of everything pretty soon you won't have you know people driving a steam roller to make a new road there will be robots out there making a new roads anywhere you want that is if we're not flying little jets and cars around which is very possible I'm not sure if that's true but I'm not sure how much transportation we're going to need you Justin's again oh very good okay so the point is is that the the world is moving to a place that people can't imagine for for two reasons they can't imagine it number one they cannot look back 100 years so they don't understand how dirt poor people were 100 years ago and the other thing that they can't understand is they cannot possibly understand geometric progression so of all the phenomenal innovation that took place over the last 200 years as of today that capability will quadruple in 50 years so it's all money hmm and all this productivity what are people going to do in their pastime there's gonna have a bargain a paper yeah they're going to be singing and dancing and curling their hair and getting plastic surgery from basically computers that will be designing the surgical processes and to make you you know what would be sexually ideal if you can they're going to be basically lazy as hell is where this is headed they're going to be goofing off the you you have to think of pretty highly satiated rich people right now that they basically feel like won't cheat why the hell should I work I've got thirty million dollars in the bank what's the point and some people will still want to work some people will enjoy their work and they'll continue to make more money just for the in the same reason that because it's inherently productive is exactly what I was talking about before but they won't work that hard you will find that as as people get very well-to-do they start backing off their hours and they start moving their interests into more and more leisure activities and so you're going to find that the world's people will be moving further and further away from all what we're going to call I would call necessities in the sense that that when you improve people's material existence from things that are actually uncomfortable to comfortable it's well we're fighting and working for those things it's well worth having a furnace they can give you Eric and you know give you heat and well worth having air conditioning in your house these things are worth fighting for it's worth having homes that are large enough to give privacy so that people going to have sex and the kids can't hear you okay there's uh there's all there's all kinds of reasons to increase there will be a tremendous increase in human life satisfaction over the next couple hundred years as the burdens are lifted from human beings and the fear and insecurities about injuries in your old age etc right now somebody that's working for modest wages I don't know you know as a clerk in some firm somewhere that's making sixteen dollars an hour and now has a as carpal tunnel syndrome that the surgeons can't figure out and it's painful and they really can't do their job anymore that person's in trouble a person that has a car accident that works as a house painter now and now their back is so bad that they can't do their job this is bad okay this is this is and the fact that the firm may find a way to fire them or that the person that hit them in the car didn't have insurance you know so there's a problem etc this is bad news so people today do a considerable amount of physical and psychological suffering as a result of a lack of material success in the world so anybody that says oh god you know we've got enough we we need to stop growth and start taking care of the environment those people are crazy they have no idea what they're talking about those are people the in $300 wages that are trying to look cool you know and say nice things and and say nice things that that girls that want to make sure that the little I know the little animals don't have any stress are you know that think that the guy is cool for saying this this is ridiculous the truth is is that material increases in material capability of human beings is is the most important thing that human beings due to in to reduce their burdens and increase their quality of life okay people are stuck now dealing with very serious material deprivation issues that they have to be concerned about that's why they can't get a divorce okay they don't want to be with the spouse they don't like the spouse but the spouse is a decent enough person and the decent enough provider even though those two people are unhappy they need to stick together because the cost per square foot and the cost per unit of air conditioning and heating and the cost per calorie and the cost per thousand miles on a car are expensive enough that it's actually important for basic human comfort and luxury and dentistry to make sure that we keep a family together that is a freakin tragedy when it comes to human life satisfaction okay and so all of these things will improve dramatically anybody that thinks that it's life's better and Peru where people live in little villages and they smile when you pass and they all seem to be friendly and getting together well and they seem to be happier than Americans is not true every single sophisticated survey shows that as as countries and people's get wealthier they are happier and it is substantial and the reasons are obvious for anybody that has ever worked on a hot tar roof like I have and now so the bottom line is this that the next 100 to 200 years are going to be magnificent for human beings the person that is that is today worried about their grandchildren is worried for nothing your grandchildren will be vastly wealthier than you will be they may not be wealthier relative to their peers but they will be vastly wealthier if my grandfather had had sweated and saved and tried to set aside money so that I could be better off and he passed up his indulging himself that would have been a tragedy because you know even if I did exactly the same work as my grandfather I would be vastly wealthier than my grandfather my income is between four eight to one more than my grandfather's income what was so the same thing is going to happen except it's geometric okay so the geometric nature this is staggering and the human imagination has an extremely difficult time so right now a decent pair of socks costs you know a couple dollars to realize that that that is headed you know in in a hundred years that is headed to six cents okay or ten cents it's like oh my god it's basically free the to realize that the bet that the calories rice beans potatoes corn etc this is all going to go down by a massive factor it's going to be so people are not going to have to worry about food they're not going to have to worry about square footage they're not going to have to worry about injuries that keep them out of a workplace and now actually threaten reasonable material comforts so life is going to get vastly better for people and they're going to get far more independent shit headed bosses and uncomfortable relationships with their in-laws and uncomfortable relationships in their in their marriages etc what you will find is you will find that people will live more and more like the well-to-do people of today well-to-do people today don't have to stick around in relationships that they don't like they get a divorce or they never bother getting married okay well-to-do people today if they don't like employment they just seek employment elsewhere you can't tell me that some executive that's making 300 thousand dollars a year right now and has four million dollars in this retirement is 47 years old it's going to stick around and put up with the new executive vice president over them it's a super pain in the ass it's not going to do it you'll just turn in as resignation okay no problem no sweat I've got I've got three lifetimes of money in the bank what the hell do I need it is grief for that is where human nature is headed which is fantastic okay so some things that will absolutely happen not only will burden after burden after burden be lifted you know when when people what's what's upsetting to to all of us that understand this is to look at the sheer quantity of human misery around the globe including in the u.s. that is caused by material deprivation which is substantial in the US and I'm not talking about hungry people I'm talking about people that are trapped in relationships and and and living in fear of their boss and the company might go under and etc okay all of these this this fear of basic material comfort and and security those things are vastly greater around the world and way worse the the sheer quantity of human suffering that has taken place the single biggest destructive concept in human nature has been communism okay more people have died as a result of communism or what fascism if you want to call it that people that don't know don't understand that this is all the same thing it's the notion of governmental control over economies and governmental control over distribution of wealth etc etc and so whether it was Adolf Hitler or Mao or anybody else these are all the same concept and this is a this is a destruction of the free trade and productivity and innovation that takes place under a free enterprise system now that concept Marxian concept this is unbelievably brutal to human beings I for forget the warfare that's associated with it I'm not talking about that I'm talking about the extraordinary poverty and the tremendous amount of lives lost without poverty and it happened it's happening all over the world that's going to happen for another hundred years and what's disturbing to me about this is that this is entirely self-inflicted human beings literally have the understanding now about how to master the material problems of human existence this is an incredible thing there is no way we could have known that we could have gotten here okay this is like people not knowing that it was possible to fly even though it was theoretically maybe an idea that people had but people never really knew if it would ever be possible right brothers come along and it's like look at this it's actually possible something that is fantastic about human nature is it just so happens that this species is not stuck at the level of a souped-up baboon it actually has brilliance okay and it's going to turn out that behind that brilliance if you set up the rules between human nature to be sufficiently well organized you can actually get cooperative efforts within a competitive process that will drive innovation and drive tremendous material benefit we are the beneficiaries of that today the fact that we're sitting here and I'm able to chitchat people could listen to me if they want to or hang up they don't nobody's making them do anything and it costs everybody nothing okay that is unbelievable that is inconceivable as inconceivable 50 years ago and so that people can find their own brethren people that think like them and that they can seek out relationships within those things that they can then move out of those relationships that they don't want to be there anymore and change to something new that they can wear purple on Saturday and green on Wednesday and no shoes if they want and have sandals or any of the 28 pairs of shoes in their closet this is incredible okay this the but the notion and for all we know you and I might be sitting in our living rooms in our pajamas doing this podcast or maybe not even our pajamas we want to rub a really starry spectacle I wasn't going to go there alright so the point here is that we're where are we headed in the future we are headed to a brightness and a in a fabulous future that is is going to dazzle us with its with with its brightness I won't get to live to see very much more of it okay so I'm gonna from today on I will get to see one more doubling and you know it just doesn't happen all at once so it's always happening gradually but I'll get to see it okay and and that's that's cool I will I will observe that everything they carrot that I care about is going to get cheaper and cheaper and cheaper I had a friend of mine send me a thing last night showing that two people wanted to go to Paris for four or five days it was like 600 bucks with the with the flight and I believe the hotel in credible that's pretty good you got to think about this flying out a San Francisco a couple of people 600 bucks apiece flying round trip to Paris and spending a few days in Paris for literally the wages for six days of working at Starbucks that if you had told anybody that if you had told Thomas Jefferson that he would have said you're psychotic and you need to be locked up if you had told Woodrow Wilson that a hundred years later in 1918 he would have said absolutely impossible it's a nice dream you're crazy okay so remember where I'm going where I'm going is that this is going to go 16 to 1 in the next hundred years that price of that ticket to Paris is going to go to 50 bucks that's where it's going ok a hundred years from now you will you will be able to fly round trip to Paris for 50 bucks imagine matters hi can I eat that would be nice but which although flies our bones okay but the point is is that this is where it's going and where it's going to go is it school you're already seeing it because it's in motion so you have now the middle class travels to Europe on vacation that never happened when I was a kid okay the middle class traveled if they were actually above middle class and they were educated and they were scholarly and they had university degrees the parents then once in their life they would travel to Europe it was a once in a life thing now it's like hey shit you want to go to Paris no problem Pitts pick a country any country we could fly there because we can afford it where the middle class is now okay not the lower working class not the people make it $15 an hour even though they could they won't the only reason they won't is because they've got other things that are more pressing for them but it isn't that they couldn't do it okay now so and certainly people that are in your upper 20 25% of income can absolutely go to Europe every year if they wanted to that is insanity when it comes to what a change that is for Humanity in the over the last hundred years that is going to go 16 to 1 from where it is now okay now you can't stop it this is the innovation rate of humans so this is going to cause the the breakup of long term traditional family the long term proven traditional family has had very substantial economic forces that have kept it together okay people just I will often you know quietly and behind closed doors with mature people that are you know that are reasonable I will say how many marriages do you think would break up if there was absolutely zero economic issues involved and people will chuckle and roll their eyes okay wives and lots of people know the truth on that score and the answer is a huge margin now so you're going to be able to see that that people will be together because they want to be together and if they don't want to be together they won't have to be together which will be a tremendous blessing for human beings to be able to live that way so if you have a romance a love affair of the last five seven years then it lasts five or seven years and people move on but nobody is suffering anything materially that's where the world is going it's basically it we will become so wealthy that we will circle back to the to the in romances we will circle back to the original Stone Age design which is that people were together for as long as they enjoyed each other's company and then when they didn't they moved on because they reward any substantial financial consequences because there wasn't any wealth okay now we're relating an article yeah I remember reading an article recently where they were saying the same thing is that you know 60 years ago mmm people wanted to have golf communities built in their neighborhoods but now we're reverting back to where it's golf communities people won orchards and farms and things that were resembling some of this death Stone Age well maybe not the farms but yeah as when the Stone Age environment that we we miss essentially yeah yeah people I mean so the world is going to continue to transform in ways that create human satisfaction and and people are also going to be spending more and more their time essentially making sexual displays they're going to be more artistic they're going to dance more I remember Steven Pinker wrote beautifully on this a few years ago when he talked about how the intelligencia were rolling their eyes and saying the arts are dead and he said they're not even close to dead they are vastly more vibrant than they've ever been you have more people with a paintbrush in their hand now than you've had at any time in history if you think anybody that that was working at the five-and-dime fifty years ago had time to pick up a paintbrush ever went to a paint night anything let forget it never happened okay now people think towards their retirement of time to do these kind of self-actualization activities but people are going to be doing these from the jump in 100 years life is going to be artistic and athletic and romantic and people are there's going to be problems the biggest problem that I see coming of all is the pleasure trap that Alan Goldhamer and I wrote about 15 years ago it's the fact that the modern environment is becomes so ingenious at producing chemical methods to tickle the dopamine pathway that that people will become you know increasingly enticed into indulgence and that that will be a problem that humanity is going to face forever and you're already seeing it you're already seeing it in the US so it you are going to it isn't killing people it's just leaving people overweight and not attractive and disgusted with themselves and embarrassed and you know it's it's uh it they're living plenty fine because that's the it they're they're living perfectly decent lifespans but those lifespans are compromised by these by essentially an overly rich diet and overly sedentary lifestyle and you know that's going to be a price that's going to be there and that price is probably not going to go away that that's probably going to stay put now all right well well I want to turn the ship a little bit to what you said about romance and okay this may actually have to do with the pleasure trap as well but yeah one of our listeners sent us a very interesting article called the rise of the bromance threatens heterosexual relationships worn social scientists so I sent it to you I've looked at it and it turns out that this is the primary authors dr. Stephan Robinson and he's in the University of Winchester in Hampshire in the UK and essentially what they're saying is that the bromance which has went too close when when males have closed male friendships they could threaten heterosexual relationships and just a couple of quotes from this article one of the men who was surveyed says we hug when we meet and we sleep in the same bed and we have sleepovers so they serve 8:30 yeah okay all right so the researchers were saying that romances along with the ease at which men can now engage in casual sex are threatening long-term relationships with women dr. Stephan Robinson said the results were significant and worrying and warned that there's an emerging culture of sexism and disdain in the way millennial men view the opposite sex they cherished their close male friends so much so that they may even provide a challenge to the orthodoxy of traditional heterosexual relationships so and I read some of this and and here's a couple in the other room and yeah like having a girlfriend but then not a girlfriend sex really that's all that I don't get oh yeah I mean was with with a guy friend with a guy friend right the other let me sleep in the same bed I mean you know I was talking to my sister my older sister about this and I was explaining how he was curious about this article and the thing she said to me first without anything else I said it doesn't sound like a bromance that sounds like a closeted gay relationship of course what what's interesting about this I don't know this is supposedly out of the University of Winchester mm-hmm you know I'm a important know hardly anything about the UK because you know hundred years from now if I had any if I had any offspring which I don't but if they did those kids would be able to travel more and so they'd know more about the UK than I do but I don't know that I've been a couple times I don't know that much about the UK so I think there's a place called Winchester but if the University of Winchester is a real University this is this is an embarrassment like this guy outed this a guy how to lose his tenure for writing this article this has got to be what a Shirley this deserves an award for the stupidest article of the year so uh anyway we sorta the goodness is not old and police award he didn't get a government's money no so I don't think white clay probably did probably didn't we'll have to check on that so anyway this this guy's a complete beben oh well so so what you're saying is that that men can get a lot of satisfaction from from what he calls homo social relationships but they just can't get that's what he named him homo social relationships oh that's a very clever of him well you know the he says men no longer fear showing affection towards each other and intense male friendships have grown more acceptable in recent decades as addicts our sexuality has changed I think we're finding that I think we know that dr. Robinson whoever he is I I would bet a lot of money that he's gay and I use probably militant gay and through this is that he's he's doing what he thinks and it is in his the the best interest of the world by trying to I don't know I'm now I'm psychologies icing on him or maybe he's just trying to get a headline but anyway I got the guy's a fool and that's that guy got anything else before we wrap up yeah we've got a caller on hold I know let's see what caller what's your name where you calling from and welcome to the show hello do you hear me yes I can hear you wow it's amazing I'm calling from European Union is this vania we're 22 years old yes my question is how to be my question is how to be agreeable leader how to be an agreeable leader yeah people often think that I am lying I'm trying to get a big deal or something like that and people don't see emotion inside me they don't see emotion okay you know you you may have a do you have sort of a flat mom well my my holding time will end soon what has this is my question what does what I'm calling into that Colin card okay all right very good we'll try to try to say something in television very good so he's wanting to know how to be an agreeable leader because actually it looks like to other people like he's lying okay so or that he's being deceptive in some way so he's trying to get tips on this and he probably could you could probably learn some things you could probably with a coach you could probably get some feedback about how it is that you actually manage your body language and and your facial expressions there would probably be certain little social skills that you could definitely improve on so I could you know I'm not going to outline those today for anybody or to talk about those but you you could essentially you will you know you'll this guy will never be good if people are commenting about this they're having problems there our deficit there are definitely some limitations genetically to how it is that this person communicates and so you can only get so good good at this but certainly you can improve you can I was I was at a at a seminar once with a famous behavioral psychologist by the name Arnold Lazarus at a Rutgers and Rutgers excuse me Lazarus told us a story about a about a young architect that was not getting any employment as an architect he was just working as a draftsman because he just couldn't whenever he interviewed for jobs he just flopped and Lazarus explained to us that he was referred to Lazarus by a mat now I'm going to this Vista where it gets kind of fun and edgy he was referred the patient was referred to Lazarus by psycho dynamically oriented therapist who is retiring and moving to Florida and so and he respected Lazarus so he refers this young guy to Lazarus and let the guy comes into the office and and as this Wimpy handshake and no eye contact and Lazarus says is that how you meet people when you go on you know job interviews he says yeah he says okay well come back outside my door and then come in again and try it again try a little better hey guy was still lousy so Lazarus spent the session showing this guy how to meet and shake hands how to open his hand up how to aim and then once you hit the hand you actually move your hand slide it deeper okay and then take your other hand and then you take your left hand and then go touch the person's wrist and so when you shake the hands you give them a firm but not hard handshake etc but you make your hand very easy to hit into grasp and as soon as they touch it then you slide it very quickly so there's a nice deep handshake etc so they worked for an hour on that handshake okay and then over the next six weeks he he then did mock interviews with him and got tougher and tougher on the interviews the guy brought in his little portfolio they essentially worked at this presentation and they worked it and worked it and worked it and worked it and in no time this guy got a good job okay and and he came in he was all excited about it and he said he also talked a cop out of a parking ticket and and he says then he also asked out a girl behind a counter at Macy's who turned him down and Lao Tsur said why did you think you could do that we hadn't gotten to that yet the guy said I just felt like I was on a roll so the point is is that you can't change your personality but you can take pieces of what it is that you need and you can drill and you can get better so there would be there would be things that this young person could do if he's in a leadership role obviously he's got high intelligence and he's sort of slated for leadership there are and he's getting some comments about his his interpersonal is sort of is in a personal style you're not you're not going to get great but you can you can be not terrible and that can be studied and should be practiced
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