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well ryan's our last show it's been uh groundhog day which reminded me of both of you and uh and i just found myself found myself just you know reflecting on the things that are required to get to the next step and if you don't get to those things then it's groundhog day all over again and uh yeah um we we use groundhog day as shorthand for when we're talking about personality a lot um because you know people uh are so stable with their personalities that essentially you're signing up for groundhog day with any given relationship because you're you're not the the sort of the band of behavior is pretty narrow um your people are not going to surprise you that often once you know who you're dealing with absolutely all right yeah i don't even know did he see his shadow did he i have not been paying attention i totally missed the memo oh my god all right nathan what do we got today all right we start with a question for both doctors and it's as follows dear doctors my husband and i have been married for five and a half years now we have an amazing relationship we agree on most things enjoy spending time together have great communication and have very infrequent arguments one thing that probably the only thing we do argue about is my sex drive and my husband's penis size if my husband had it his way we would have sex twice a day every day and for me there's about a 10-day window every month where i actually want to have sex and the rest of the month i absolutely have no desire my husband believes it is because he has a small penis even though he is the one who noticed my sexual desire peaks around my ovulation window when we do have sex it's amazing and we both are fulfilled but no matter how many times i tell him that he satisfies me and it has nothing to do with him or his size he does not believe me when i do engage in sexual activity outside of my window it is solely for him and he can tell that i do not enjoy it he immediately then thinks of his penis size and gets depressed about it and he truly believes if he were bigger i would want him more so the question is how do we move past this as a couple well no you go no you're taking this first try to pass this off on me i can hear it in your voice all right um let's uh let let's at the i have a great desire to just get risque and you know have fun with this but we're not going to do that because this is a very serious question yeah we want to be responsible sort of so here's the the fundamental problem is remember that the fundamental unit of change um is cost benefit analysis and cost-benefit analysis will only change when the informational input to the system change so this guy is um is having feelings that are associated with his estimates of reality and so he is uh he's you know so we could we could dive down through the anxiety and the tension and the anger and the etc that is swirling through this process but the fundamental problem that we have is we've got a misunderstanding of reality and so uh that misunderstanding of reality is really plain to see for those of us that know about the evolution of human sexuality so this guy i hope that this woman sounds you know most beat your genes listeners are like far north of average iq not to just flatter you all but that's true who el who the hell else would listen to jen hawk i mean i can barely i can barely follow her so the point is is that that you you're it's very likely that the husband is pretty sharp and so he's capable of reading a a readable book on on sexuality and etc so one of the i think i'm not sure where this evidence is presented um it may be in the evolution of desire or maybe somewhere else it might be in why women have sex um which is probably a book that's worth this household owning um also david buss uh i think is the primary author there's a is some woman professor he wrote that book with the but somewhere in one of those two books i believe is a graph and it was a very illuminating graph in fact it kind of looks like a penis it uh it's a bell curve of what happens if you chart women's sexual desire over the course of their ovulation cycle in other words uh your you are the the writer of this question is reporting something that is absolutely prototypical for the human female which is there's about a 10-day window where they think about and are interested in sex and there's about 20 days where they're not and it's been my uh i i would like to say it's been my good fortune to find the outliers where that's not true [Laughter] but i'd be lying as i bet but i know this is a joke though but it's a good joke it's a good joke yeah okay but uh but the truth is is that this is a this is extremely well understood in in evolutionary psychology so your husband needs to read this information he needs to understand that you are a your sexual psychology in this domain is absolutely stuck right off the the genetic blueprint this is exactly how it's supposed to work um and he did not unfortunately for him find an outlier uh who is interested all month long and such individuals exist but they're not typical okay so it's amazing to me uh that this is true but but when when i learned of this and i don't remember when i learned of it it's probably 10 or 15 years ago um i've been able to easily confirm that in you know probably a hundred conversations that i've had with women about conflicts in their relationship around sexuality uh where they were into the partner the partners into them but the woman is not into this for you know 60 or 65 or whatever the heck it is literally the majority of the month and so that's uh the the the way out is education uh you are not able to explain this to him in a way that his that his calculus can believe it you don't he doesn't have you don't have enough credibility he's got a plausible reason that he thinks uh you know makes sense about why it is that you're disinterested um all of that is you know i mean even even though it's a little out there like why is it so great in those 10 days and then it's lousy in the other three weeks but that doesn't matter what this man needs is he needs to understand female sexuality he needs to see the evidence with his own eyes and whether or not he's able to integrate that uh by looking at the evidence i don't know but i do know that very often for me being kind of an egghead if people tell me something and over and over and swear up and down such and such is true i'm not convinced but you show me one excellent piece of science and you have me stare at the graph and i look at it it's like okay got it that is how it works and so the uh i'm not going to say that i'm going to instantaneously emotionally shift how it is that i compute things but i will over time and that's uh that's the best shot that i see for this story yeah i i find it uh i guess one of the main questions i would have for these two is has this always been the case over the what is five and a half years of marriage and has he consistently stuck to this interpretation of events um despite all evidence in front of him despite noticing the pattern to begin with and you know he can keep a calendar and predict the days and and um i think it's even if you haven't read david buss so you're not familiar with evolutionary psychology this is pretty just common knowledge um or kind of uh you know i don't know locker room type wisdom it's not that far out there to have an intuitive sense of that so i find it striking that it's he he is so stubbornly entrenched in this story that he's telling about his small penis size being the problem when um you know he's got five and a half years of of direct evidence that it's not a problem for those 10 days every month um it's it's just there's something about curious not adding up yeah yes yeah uh and it's also as you point out a little there's a little bit of oddness in the story in that there's there's zero desire outside of the window instead of sort of a you know this this is just probably where this person is this woman is on the bell curve but for most women it's sort of like a degrees of interest you know right it's um you're not it's not an on off switch and and i will just add to the discussion too that for women who are on hormonal birth control of some type that this can be an even more skewed weird situation where it can really affect desire and it's not going to sync up with the ovulation cycle if you're if you're on birth control so um yeah there's a couple of little open loops and some oddness to the question but generally speaking if if we can educate him out of it with some david bess then hopefully that you know does some good but it there is there's there's a little bit of um i don't know uh desire to play the victim going on here or something something odd yeah yeah i would say and the way just to to give one one more step of instruction which is sometimes useful okay for people i mean i have no idea how how much of a you know msw our writer is and so you know i mean you just never know how smooth people will be and how careful they are about about um about communicating with people about things that are delicate like this the what i would do is i would get the information uh there's probably charts on the internet or probably a book is actually book is heavier handed in terms of its uh credibility so if you can get the david buss book and we can we can find it somebody that's listening to this may be able to post somewhere i know we've got a beecher jeans facebook or something like that the uh there there may be um where we can know where that graph is so or that graph may be you know somewhere else on the internet you can tell that it's adapted from so-and-so's you know study of human sexuality and therefore here it is so it's a it's a well-known thing the i'm not sure bus did the research but he might have the uh but the deal is is that you get that in your hand okay and then what you do is you you read it so you you know it in other words you spend the hour making sure you understand it and then what you're going to do is you're going to say hey listen you know in in a in a period where you're good so you're in the 10 day excitement window and then as you're aft as you're starting to leave the window you say hey listen i really wanted to have a discussion about this because i've been so concerned about you and how you feel and it makes me feel uh sick to my stomach that that you somehow feel like i have yeah any negative feelings about you or rejecting towards you about anything and i don't okay so that's not none of that is happening so here's what i've discovered okay this is uh this is actually amazing it it lines up with yours and my experience as a couple like perfectly okay it's it's like it's like it's an amazing fit it it's like you know we're drilling in the right place you know in raiders of the lost ark it's like it fits perfectly look at this okay and you show it to him and you say hey here here this is i you know i tracked this down um hey take a look at it and maybe that might you know help you be more confident that what i'm saying is really true this is just how i built and you could say hey i wish i wasn't you know i wish that i was a wild child that was was wide open you know 28 days out of 28 but i'm not it's like i'm your in this dimension you know i'm i'm your average girl this is how this is how we are apparently okay and so that that's the kind of i mean jenna do a better job than i would but that's i would be taking care to kind of set this up that way so that you give a chance for him to take a deep breath and say huh okay i'm gonna look at this and that's about as good as we can do and if there's some bizarre upside down titillating you know retroflected interjected you know twisted thing that's going on inside his head that he has to you know he gets gets off on being rejected around his penis side who the hell knows i have no idea but uh that wouldn't be a bizarre inference no it wouldn't be no it wouldn't be that bizarre my spidey sense is telling me that something like that is going on this sort of attachment to that specific narrative and that like it's it's for it to be so persistent over time yeah um well yeah we also don't know the empirical truth if he's if he is much smaller than average right you know like or or if he's not and so how if if it's completely off base that then it becomes even more suspicious right if he is a little smaller than average maybe he just really has a complex about this and just has never really felt confident and and maybe you were um you know more sexually available early in the marriage now you're not and and so that's all rattling around his head so one of those scenarios is is the case but there's just there's something about it that doesn't quite add up yeah our best shot is to take dead aim at the truth and see if the truth can fix can fix his head that's what we're going to try to do all right our next question uh dear doctors how does a woman prevent herself from cheating on her horus husband with the jimmy and then losing her fathering to their children if she's not in a magic ten percent relationship the uh jen your first pass because i i have a number of reactions no i mean i think this is you know if if this is such a danger to your relationship with uh horus that you're white knuckling your way through not cheating on him um to the point of you know worrying about how you're going to stop yourself then you're not just not in a magic ten percent relationship you're you're really in a relationship that you probably shouldn't be in um you you have settled too far uh if if you're feeling that tempted and and not trusting yourself to not cheat on this guy so i i mean i think there are a lot of people who are not necessarily in magic tense who are not going to be feeling pressure to cheat also just out of sheer personality factors there's sort of we've talked many times about different scenarios in which people would be more or less women in particular would be more or less willing to accept a less than magic ten relationship for all kinds of emotional and strategic reasons protection provision companionship uh you know give giving up on the game the the options are endless but if you're sitting there with a placeholder and and you're trying to stop yourself from cheating on him and you're and you're looking for advice on how to prevent that from happening that just seems like a huge red flag that this is this is somebody who does not qualify at a level that you you should be wasting his time or yours yeah i mean the the four you know just in the i think jen and i both have uh when we're talking about things we we are aware that the the main answer and the main hit may not be quite right and there might be all these little ancillary uh caveats around the edges it's kind of like uh somebody said once that that a little bit of an accurate of inaccuracy is is uh you know is the right way to write in other words because if you if you write to get everything just perfect we're going to be here all day while you scrub that that paragraph and put every caveat in there about your claim and so i think that jen has gone to the heart of the most fundamental question that that is here and so um now i i can see other angles other directions you know all kinds of like and of course we would both say well you know who knows what your financial familial religious there's a unbelievable amount of swirling cauldron of uh conflicts and values that are that are in the way of knowing how it is to see straight the um the the one one unusual possibility of integration here uh the the only thing the only one that i can see and i don't know i haven't thought about this more in a couple minutes but and that is that it is of course theoretically possible that on the other side of this the husband's not that screaming hot on this thing either but that these two people are really good friends and parents and they are they share a sense of commitment about their lives and yet this area of their life is mediocre and that doesn't mean the the uh doesn't mean the the friendship and the love is mediocre it means that this part of it is mediocre and uh jen and i have a concept that you know we call you know a golden play and it's involved involved in basically your when your what's in your best interest is to figure out what is in your partner's best interest and so it gets to be uh uh what oh god we do we spill the the meme or not no no okay we're not gonna spill them save it for the book that's right but the point is we have an important meme but it's involves this process where what your best interest is is actually watch you know you can get to a point in in the in the most outstanding of relationships the rarest of relationships which is exactly what we hope that you know a a lifetime you know legally committed or else otherwise committed relationship would be which is we hope that it's theoretically outstanding in terms of a lot of its characteristics the a a an angle of salvation for something like this could be approaching this you know if it's possible i mean god knows personalities are unbelievably important here and the entire dynamics are but you could talk about opening up the marriage and that's not it that's not i mean in the stone age it'd be like yeah what's the big deal what what's married mean the so it's not crazy uh to consider this and so the uh so you i would before somebody says well forget it you know i'm in the wrong place now i have this unbelievably uh weighty decision in this life do i sit right here and suffer uh and and be be knowing that there's things i very much want but i'm not going to allow myself to reach for do i blow up the the marriage so that i get to go reach for it and see whether it was worth it do i uh do i deceive my partner and do that while i see how how much it's worth it it's like okay there's a fourth option and the fourth option is we go to our partner directly and we say listen i have these feelings i don't know how it is that you feel but you know we we have asked a great deal of life for the two of us to be monogamously committed to each other forever and the truth of the matter is is that where there might have been a day uh at a time when that made sense to me and i was fine but i'm older i'm wiser and i have a different perspective now and i have different feelings and and i i have to weigh the the desires that i have to try to open up my life experience to experiencing my sexuality with other people and i have to weigh that against the impact that it would have on you and on this relationship and what it might all mean and i'm not in love with anybody uh but i but i could find myself tempted and i want to talk about that in case you have similar feelings and just get a gauge on where you're at how you feel and you know no rush i don't have some ticking time clock or some agenda because you shouldn't there's always another freaking jimmy okay so the point is is that you could open up that discussion take a big deep breath and that is uh one of the few things that i found of value in the book called um what was that book that was called sex at dawn yeah sexy dawn um sexy dawn was interesting and kind of exciting and actually was fundamentally deeply flawed because they they did they actually incredibly they are smart people and they are actually aware of evolutionary psychology but they they're so steeped in in cultural anthropology that they just absolutely don't believe in evolutionary psychology it's actually the amazing thing to read in sexodon so they don't really believe in any commitment process inside of human sexual psychology and they are fundamentally wrong about that and they're deeply badly wrong about it um there are the jealousy mechanisms as defined by david buss in his research and all of what goes along with the pair bonding psychology these people wouldn't believe in pair bonding and they wouldn't believe in in in actually an actual sexual competition and choice so okay so now that i've blasted them at the root of where they're wrong let me tell you about one of the most beautiful things that comes out of that book and that's a section where they say confronting the sky together and they talk about being on a ferris wheel and you and your partner are up on this ferris wheel and there's nothing in front of you you're not enclosed in the cage you're just sitting in the seat and you're looking out you know over the lights of the city and you feel that scary feeling of oh my god it's we're all we're looking at it's the sky we can't see the ferris wheel can't see anything behind us we can't see anything below us it's a weird sensation to be exposed out there just us against the sky and the the truth is is that these deep and troubling conflicts in relationships people are not confronting the sky together because they're hiding around religion they're they're deceptive from their partner they're masturbating in the bathroom they're flirting with the guy at work you know and sometimes somebody people are cheating and they might be doing it and they part of them hates themselves to do it because they they have their best friend at home and then it just puts a distance between them etc etc okay and people have the notion that the only solution is you either you know you either break it all up or you deny yourself and sort of or you cheat and it's like yeah i understand that those seem to be the only three options the fourth option is that you confront the sky together okay you you open this up you grit your teeth you take a deep breath and you say hey you know you might even hand them that book in that chapter and say hey i want you to read these few pages okay so however it is that you do it this is a possible avenue that may be appropriate to explore from this questioner or obviously other people so that's why i bring it up confronting this guy together scary but potentially liberating and it may be the best move on the chessboard at times you know there may be times when you have to risk opening a relationship uh and allowing a partner their freedom and is seeing if you can tolerate or if they can tolerate yours uh that may be a better option than blowing the whole thing up and so these are these are difficult individual questions but it's amazing to me how little that idea is ever confronted by people we we are amazingly uh victorian uh with respect to that yeah yeah we've we've had similar questions before and and uh that you know it's definitely come up as an option i think you you read a little more generosity into this question than i did yeah sure i got some sort of feeling that she's already got one foot out the door that it's just i don't know i got it i got a vibe that's your chick vibe sure it's my chick vibe i'm probably just pmsena yeah but um but i also i think since the last time i i probably uh you know made some speech strongly advocating for for that talk and the the confronting the sky talk um i i've just watched a lot of people do it and not be very successful sure um and you know i think it is very you've got to be in a very specific place in that relationship to to have that negotiation in good faith you cannot be a person who is looking to keep that person as a security blanket and backup plan um and uh and you know taking advantage of their agreeableness and goodwill to to you know kind of um go find your jimmy it's it's gotta it's gotta come from a really very specific place and i think most people are not in that place most people are just unhappy and they're looking for a stop gap yeah so so yeah it's definitely if you feel that you are in that place it's worth pursuing and investigating and you know finding out um but uh but yeah it's it's rarely successful yeah that makes a lot of sense to me jen i think that's right on all right nathan what else we got wonderful thank you very much all right our next question is dear doctors the recent episode about current events was alarming i understand the basics of what's happening but is the gravity of the situation being exaggerated by the doctors could they be falling into the trap of being the wise prophet foretelling doom in the stone age that concept has been discussed on the paused gas before so i'm curious your thoughts on it now outstanding question go ahead we've talked about it a lot yeah no i wrote i wrote a whole essay at the beginning of the pandemic uh called uh when bad news is good news about this phenomenon about you know i i i will go to the village with the bad news and reap the rewards of of being the correct tragic prophet um i think it's it's interesting it's something that i think we're both self-aware of i've certainly thought a lot about it and if it's a trap that we're falling into um the the difference for me at this point is that it filters into my own uh my own genuine anxiety and proper mentality yeah so so i i you know i had a whole career before this in the in the climate change um uh concern world so i wrote a whole dissertation about it um i i made a lot of hay with climate change anxiety and in doom prophecying um and you know that that can all be very true but i was i was definitely using it uh strategically as as the prophet of doom who might benefit from being an early an early mover on it like here i planted my flag on this dissertation and and i have things to say about this and and i i am an early expert but it was not informing my personal choices and my my my view of the world and my personal motivations around politics and and just how i live my life in the way that the current political moment is so you can be aware of you know you can be sensitive to anxiety about climate change and and feel a little sort of concern about it and like oh you know i'm going to make sure that i uh more environmentally responsible and you know i i pay the little the little carbon credit when i buy my plane ticket or plant a little tree or make a donation or all the things that i would do but it was not um it was not filtering into my lived experience as the kids say in the same way that the current moment is so that's the big difference for me and that's my main gut check on whether i'm doing this out of sort of a strategic advantage as the the prophet of doom or um if it's coming from a really deeply felt subjective reality and i think in my case it's the latter i think for you too doug yeah i have no desire to get credit to be a prophet of doom i i can check my soul and tell people very clearly that that's not the case um i have no desire to watch uh uh the united states freedom in shambles and then turn back and say i told you so okay so the um no jen you made an incredible point right there that that i never would have thought of which is that how do you really tell what's in your soul and the answer is what are you doing about it okay well i can tell everybody right now i've thought real carefully about all the places in the world that i could run and i've thought about how it is to maneuver my finances and where it is that i'm actually vulnerable to the cabal uh if they get you know right now this week we heard oh the fed is moving forward you know sort of slowly bit towards uh digital currency for the united states opening up a public comment period on it totally so this is let me tell you this is exactly my big fear is that uh if you if you're all of your net worth is it in digital currency and that there's only transactions that can ever be made or in digital currency you're in deep [ __ ] okay this is a big problem so that means that that they know your little number and if they don't like your politics because you speak up on a thing called beat your jeans and you're on the little shitty list that they don't like then they just canceled your ability to use your digital uh wealth and now you can't even buy gasoline to get the hell out of town so people that in other words i'm looking at this thing and i'm trying to uh to see wait a second am i really vulnerable and the answer is yes of course we're vulnerable and the second thing is are they really out to make me vulnerable and the answer is yes they are out to make me vulnerable this is uh and if you if you have any notion about whether there's any truth in this you need to go to the website of the world economic forum and read it okay find out and look at or buy the book the great reset okay and then and if you're thinking oh yes so here's what i thought i didn't hear about the great reset until about march of 2021 i had never heard of such a thing i had never heard the name klaus schwab never absolutely not i actually went somebody somebody whispered in my ear and kicked me in the shins about it so i went and looked at it and i i chuckled it's like what are these freaking socialistic globalistic bizarre morons and they're gonna save the world from everything this is all [ __ ] it's ridiculous that was my response okay today let me tell you what it is that i understand this group okay this group as of as of today this group they're graduates from their young leaders program and you're like oh young leaders that sounds like something good like young entrepreneurs society okay where you all get together with some some older mentors that tell you how to be run your company sounds good okay young leaders what is that like up with people like the guy that comes to your you know the people that come and sing at your auditorium when you're a senior in high school and then they the the most extroverted cool person in your class wants to go tour with them for a year now that's like a leadership thing whether you get into harvard university because you have these great letters and you're going to be a leader no no no no that's not what i'm talking about i'm talking about people that are selected after a rigorous uh competitive process to become part of this world economic forum's team and when they become part of that team they are connected to the wealthiest people in the world that are connected with everything political and economic on earth and let me tell you that right now the the the prime minister of new zealand the prime minister of canada the prime minister of great britain the prime minister of france the ex-prime minister or chancellor of germany and vladimir putin all of them are graduates of this program they are the superstars that got the advantages of being connected to the cabal and when this hit there's no there's no mystery that the playbook that was used across the western democracies was the same it was the playbook of the cabal bill gates jeff bezos they are in it so when you look at this and you look at the extraordinary economic carnage and the incredible greed that went on with this whole process that while the world is on its knees economically jeff bezos and bill gates double their net worths okay you think really hard about that and when you think about that you think about uh oh i don't this doesn't sound like i'm sounding the alarm over nothing to uh believe me i had no knowledge that any of this was true i laughed at the world economic forum's website in march of 2021. today i recognize them as the greatest enemy of freedom on earth okay so no i do not believe that we are sounding a zero alarm you know uh alarm to try to look cool i'm actually terrified at my route that we we may already have a lost battle and we just don't know it yet okay i don't think that's true i actually am quite optimistic i'm not super optimistic i'm quite optimistic i believe that this evil bunch of people has overplayed their hand i believe they've been found out by people like me and another 10 million like me around the world and there's a lot of brains and a lot of ability and a lot of money and a lot of keep you know a lot of potential power that can look at this and say no way in hell okay no way in hell dr peter mccullough said it he said i'll put it all on the line i'm willing to lose it all i am going to attempt to defend freedom and if i you know if i lose it all in trying then i lose it what a freaking hero okay that guy you listen to him and you you cannot listen to peter mccullough and think them that that guy is overestimating the threat he sees or that he's crazy or he's a scaremonger that's the leading published cardiologist in world history he has no interest in being a a warning bell of trouble at all he had and he's been he's been a total sort of team player you know playing it safe i mean i think he's most published just in general i don't think he's even the most published cardiologist i think he's just the most published you know medical medical scientist in the world yeah really and he's it's extraordinary editor of several journals and the thing with somebody like mccullough and with us and with somebody like brett brett weinstein and heather hein and you know lots of people who are in this space you can track our evolution on on all of this jessica rose jessica rose totally all of us are you know we're starting off um much more with a lot more kind of uh faith and optimism than we've wound up with yes and you can really i mean all of this is on record you know you can go back and listen to the hawk blocked episodes all last summer where you can watch us start to grapple with this you know whole whole hours where we said is this just a money grab or is there real evil here and um and and slowly letting the evidence accumulate and and you know mccullough at great personal and professional cost and all of these people at great personal and professional costs so um yeah i think there's some inflection point where the evolutionary advantage of being the prophet of doom um slips into being the the being a pariah there's a there's a high cost um to you know with censorship and you're just being vilified and you know everything else that goes along with it losing losing your professional status losing your reputation um that a lot of these people have paid this price and and at that point the the trade-off for for being you know the off chance that you're correct um it fails to be worth it in most cases but there are still people of great integrity who uh are pursuing the truth and i like to think that we are among them we're we're not nearly at as as personal and professional risk as they are no um but i i am proud to consider myself you know part of that cohort yeah and so my attitude is i check myself and i say what am i doing i'm thinking it through and thinking it through for myself and my family and people close to me and we are talking about these things and we plot and we're not in a panic okay the uh you don't see me down on bitcoin beach you know waiting for the world to end [Laughter] okay but what you see you see me is that i do know what bitcoin beach is and and we think a lot about these things and and we know that in all probability what you have is a slow moving train and we don't know you know what it looks like is there a big crash you know how does it all go down um i do know that given my assessment of what it is that these people have done and or have been willing to do with this pandemic that i put nothing past them i i from my standpoint they are ruthless they are ruthless and they are very powerful and um and so the damage they could inflict on me and everybody i care about uh and and the freedom that that i consider is the key to you know the central focus of human happiness uh is huge and i believe that this is uh i've analyzed this elsewhere talked about this on hawk blocked and so those of you that don't listen to jen and i on hawkblock you know we've talked deeply about these issues the uh this is a uh i hope that this does alarm you because if you are alarmed then you are you don't have to drop everything tell your mother goodbye to convert everything to gold you know what i mean and head to west virginia you don't have to do that now jen did i'm like what is the personal like what the hell no need to get get personal and nasty about it doug you're just jealous you got your space for your urine all set up but the point is is that it it behooves one to to not essentially be a frog in the boiling water and not know that the temperature's going up and so that's that's why we're here be alert listen pay attention uh the world isn't falling apart but there are serious problems the likes of which we have never actually seen like this so it's it goes beyond i mean there's there's sort of strategic self-interest like you know if if things are going absolutely to hell you you want to have advanced notice and get your ducks in a row and take care of you and yours but there's also you know if there is a chance to to mitigate some of the damage i don't think we turn it entirely around i think these forces are too uh far along and too well entrenched but you look at something like the canadian trucker protest yes which emanates from individuals making individual choices and overcoming that collective action problem which which happens one person at a time because people speak out and and people you know connect the dots and and um are able to uh essentially persuade somebody else that it's it's worth taking that risk and it's worth pushing back against the machine yeah and so there's there's a little part of me that's very idealistic in that way that you know it's it is worth broadcasting the doom if if it is uh if it can engender that sort of social mobilization which is the one thing that can put the brakes on this process um and it has put the brakes on it in canada um in a very real sense and and and even at the you know at other levels when we have these sort of battle royales over censorship that are going on right now so you know if if you're sitting back content to let spotify shut down joe rogan um or or to you know eliminate a hundred of his episodes or whatever has happened this past week um you know i want you to have a bigger picture of what that's really about and and what what those forces are and what's going on um and what that sort of censorship means and yeah if you're going to come back at me with d platforming is not censorship that's a whole other conversation we can have that another day but i i think it's important for people to keep the big picture in mind when you have these little skirmishes over something that it's easy to feel self-righteous about and oh well he said some bad words and so he deserves to be shut down when actually it's a it's a much smaller part of a much larger process that um you know we we've started to wrap our heads around and so that that battle takes on a very different context when you understand that yeah let me give give people uh a snapshot at what that battle looks like and this is a an answer to this questioner who it's a great question so we want to unders we want to make sure we understood that we're actually not being defensive we're being explanatory that because the question is outstanding and completely real the sun rises you don't see swastikas in your street you're like what's the real problem docs well here's the problem the one of the biggest legal and social battles of our time right now are all about different vaccine mandates and social distancing masks um what's it and and lockdowns okay now it turns out that that these are you know the the yelling and the screaming this is all about people with different opinions well it's going to turn out that at the moment i mean not at the moment now permanently for all time the research has been done and completed there there is no there could there can be no further argument among intelligent informed people lockdowns masks and social distancing is entirely worthless we know this from a massive johns hopkins uh conducted meta-analysis of thousands of research uh uh documents that we now know out of synthesizing out of those by appropriate decision rules in meta-analysis some 300 in some studies that when you compile them you get an estimation of the effect size of these things the effect size of masks social distancing and lockdowns on the on reducing the loss of life of the coronavirus is 0.2 percent that's what it is that's the best possible scenario for unbelievably expensive draconian ruthless and damaging rules for human society i want you to understand that that is the most important research of our time you're attempting to the world governments are theoretically there to serve their population and their people and under the guise that that's what they're doing they imposed worldwide directed by the cabal these extraordinary measures and more and when they did so they were known to be worthless likely going in by previous research and now have been proven to be worthless and now what do we see on the days following the publication of this document which is an unshakable document and anybody that knows anything about science knows that no no you cannot overturn a meta-analysis that analyzed every damn study that was relevant and it amounts to thousands okay and now we we compile those this is basic deep understanding of meta analytic technique it's over no more i don't want to hear about something that happened in eastern madagascar how it didn't work out that way no it's over it's done now so we know it's all worthless i don't care if it's n95 worthless okay now so now we know it's worthless all of it and now what we find it is not mentioned by the new york times it is not mentioned by the washington post it is not mentioned on msnbc it is not mentioned on cnn you get the point there there is no way that those new eight news agencies independently analyzed that it was not newsworthy to talk about the most important scientific finding of our time they had to all come to the same conclusion because they were ordered by the same person to tell them don't you dare tell the world what the facts are okay so once you understand that this your what you believe to be true is under total manipulation who had anything to gain by that you damn well know who had to gain by it who doubled their net worth under the lockdowns in the united states in the last year think about it okay and when you realize that power was wielded ruthlessly with full a malignant knowledge in advance that it was damaging as hell to people's lives to do this and we're going to do it anyway because we will enrich ourselves massively if that is not a dark dark storm cloud over your you then you can't see this you can't see your blind so this is uh that hopefully is the answer to this question is very good question there is every reason to be deeply concerned about the society that you live in right now and who's in charge okay and uh and so therefore we are concerned we've got our eyes wide open here we're paying attention there's a lot of reason for optimism but there's a lot of reason for grave concern and it's well warranted wow thank you dr lyle dr hawk i just downloaded the great reset white paper so it's got a little bit of oh yeah there you go the first page is ridiculously unsettling so yes yeah the whole thing is pretty ridiculous yeah ah well now that i said that i don't know if i have anything else to say yeah thank you both dr dr hawk and dr lau very much uh yeah time to go back to the doctor the to the hock block episodes and yeah there you go yeah yeah we we talk about all this this week and you know we we get into this you know as things move all the time people can find that on my patreon page and some some of the episodes uh make it onto odyssey um as well after they've been available to my patrons for a while so yeah you can you can find them there but yeah we we do not come to this stuff lightly no no and we are not gloom and doom we're just worried folks well we're problem solvers yeah we're always problem solvers and so it's sort of like okay well you've got to know the reality of what's going on if you're going to you know make effective decisions for yourself and for for your family and and that's how we approach everything and it's how we approach this and it's um yeah that's there are people there are people that got out of nazi germany before it was too late okay that's that's a truth okay there's people that saw the handwriting on the wall and got the hell out okay and so that that is that is akin i mean it's obviously this i don't believe the world will turn into nazi germany but the point is is that that we are watching something that is is a cousin to that and we need to be aware of it because there would be it might not be us moving out of nazi germany but it may be our money okay so yeah we've you know there's all kinds of things to think about and and it's a slow moving operation but we need to have our eyes open people i think it's well worth having your eyes open you
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