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little stats recap for the corona virus and this kovat 19 going on before we do dr. law I wanted to get a comment from you so mm in a County in New York right near Long Island there is Laurie Curran gave a press conference this was yesterday and I just want you listen they have now started to reopen certain parts of the county and so now they have rolled out these very detailed instructions about what to do when you're on the tennis courts listen in here huh unless they're from the same household has to bring their own tennis balls so that you don't touch other people's tennis balls with your hands you can kick their balls but you can't touch them I'm sorry of course if you're if you're playing with someone in your household you can't touch those tennis balls to avoid to avoid confusion between whose balls are whose you can use a marker like a sharpie to mark Aspen and exit dr. Lisle I feel as though when the official start telling us how to how to take care of each other's balls to make its mayor very difficult to take it pandemic seriously when I start hearing that oh well see who was this the mayor or sizing or lorry current she's the the one of the executives in the city of Nassau County got it in New York got it well sounds like she's a sounds like she's a tennis pro so she's trying to give very advice all right well we gonna let's talk just a little bit about just for entertainment about where Kron is that I haven't been paying super close attention my mind sort of drifts away from it more these days however one one fact is coming to light that is it's both sad and it's reassuring and we've been here before but apparently it's looking like somewhere between 40 and 50 percent of all deaths are taking place in long-term care facilities in the United States the that's a you know obviously I've worked in nursing homes folks and so that they are very mmm-hmm they're very sad places to be the and and you know it's very heart-wrenching to to be around these elderly folks that are so compromised in but either mental function or physical function or both and so the thought that you know these this virus will work its way through a nursing home and it looked by some accounts this this won't be perfect because this was just one sample but I think in one one set of data there was about something like somewhere between three and four thousand cases that went through nursing homes and about 500 deaths so it was about somewhere on the order of I don't know maybe 15 or 20 percent of the people in a nursing home when when the virus goes through there will die which is just you know just an awful fear juicing you know tragedy that takes place and so however the the the other I mean so obviously something that comes to mind is is that yeah great a great deal of human intelligence and effort needs to go into figuring out how to see to it that this happens far less than it's been happening apparently that's been rampant not just in the United States but in other places in Europe etc where whereas it where we have just not had good protocols and a good understanding about how to manage something like this the mmm now the this silver lining part of this is obviously that you can look at half of the the fatalities and realize that it's clear that they're not just elderly people but they're elderly people in serious trouble relative to their more functional cohorts in that are living independently out in the world so there's apparently about five million people living in these kinds of facilities in the United States and we've lost about fifty thousand of them apparently so it's one percent which is you know a it's a huge number of people but the the big problem is is it's a pretty big percentage of the people that have been infected obviously and these are these are like petri dishes these are places were it's very easy to pass something like this along the places where I worked the people didn't have their own rooms I don't know how common that is but but there was a lot of times just as simply a sheet or some kind of canvas between beds etc so you could just imagine what this looks like and how it feels and then also how helpless the people feel under these circumstances and how helpless they are however the the silver lining is that once again we're seeing that the virus is not taking massive amounts of life years from human beings its taking small amounts of life years and the and that's that's a good thing obviously so we can hopefully do better with our protecting our elderly people but we also have to now look on a more utilitarian level as far as I'm concerned we have to look at the cost benefit of the things that we're doing and trying to analyze how much risk how much risk of human life and when we're not just talking about a number of a yes-or-no digit live or dead we're talking about how many years of life we are talking about being lost that that to me is the heartless sounding but intelligent analysis of this problem or really quite frankly almost any problem has to be looked through that lens particularly when we're talking about massive resources of a society being directed around it makes sense to try to essentially save as much life as possible and so that means trying to figure out you know where where the big biggest benefits are where the biggest vulnerabilities are and try to be smart about how we direct our resources in any event the so there's nothing super new about this I think that there's concern now among people that that there's a syndrome that there's some children that have died of COBIT complications I think the numbers are exceedingly low I think they're gonna remain that way from from the look of it because we believe there's been at least half a million children in the United States at least who have been infected and I think we have a very very small number of deaths it's I believe less than 20 people under the age of 20 of diet of of directly of Corona and apparently a majority of those have had sunbrella fairly serious underlying conditions so therefore parents and children themselves of their panic can experience some some degree of relief just looking at the math of this so what do we find you know we're finding that this is a nasty stressor that is really pretty merciless if you're elderly and you are and you are weak and frail which many of our elderly people are and and as a result you know this is going to mmm this is going to go on for a while and it may stick with us but this hopefully will be the worst we'll ever see it because we were the we had the poorest preparation and poorest understanding so that's the that's the story from here so we can when we look at these big numbers the I like to translate the numbers for myself into the amount of life years lost that's that to me seems to be something that is worth considering when we're actually looking at the the the total cost that's involved here and so we apparently the University College London those folks who are thinking that about two out of three of the people that died of Corona would have died in the next 12 months that is you know as we say it's a it's a human tragedy but it's also it puts the the fatality numbers in a very different light than when we're staring at the screen and we're seeing the big numbers that we see so also I believe that I think there's significant reason to believe that we have a lot of personal control over not over just whether or not you're a victim in other words your own degree of how well you take care of your own health and what kind of shape you're in I think is a significant variable in whether or not if you are if you are not an elderly and frail person or if you're an elderly and you're somewhat frail but you're still with it enough to to be in control of what it is that you eat and where it is that you live etcetera then you know pay attention because your odds of surviving Korona are very high and at instance but they'll be higher if you do a better job of diet and lifestyle issues and make sure you take care of yourself just as we all would you know aiming at an optimum or near optimum health strategies all right yeah as a patient here at as a patient here at fasting escape told me his priority at this point is to flatten his own curve yes yes the one yeah go ahead I was gonna change topics so if you had something no I did have something else to say about this and that's that I think there's a curious sociological phenomenon that's taking place here sort of independent of the political you know the sort of political issues that are surrounding the coronavirus and that is the there's a a Gen Hawk would call this I think mission creep that she says this goes on in in in corporations and political systems all the time apparently but that's a major concept but the that's where you you go over to look for Saddam Hussein and pretty soon you're doing a whole lot more stuff and it's way more expensive the and but similarly psychology has noted that there's tendencies of humans to dislike incomplete pictures they don't like to start things and then stop them in the middle and and so these are these are well known effects some of the famous effects and history of psychology that have been studied and and this I call it open loops so people don't like open loops makes them uncomfortable and so this I think has happened to our cement many of our political leaders as well as the society in general there's been a lot of this where it's like it this started out with a obviously great fear leading to very significant prescriptions for how it is that we're going to try to manage it the essentially bracing for a tight wave and understanding that a tidal wave could be catastrophic on many way in many directions in primarily that the health system could be completely overwhelmed and all kinds of needed medical care for all kinds of other people could get pushed aside and we could be in trouble of losing an awful lot of life as an ancillary you know collateral damage to the coronavirus and so obviously the right thing to do if you're trying to think this through is to flatten the curve and that was a term that got bandied about and was very much the goal of what it is that we were up to then we got Jen Hawks mission creep and and I will argue there's certainly political left and right ramifications that creep in behind this but I think also from my own sense of this is that there's also this natural human tendency to once you get in the middle of something you want to finish it you don't you don't want to walk away half done so you can look at your messy house and just sit there and not want to deal with it but once you start dealing with it you want to keep going because you want to finish it and this in you know this like I said this has been subject of untold psychological experiments for 80 years and and so I think that's partly when I see some of the tenacity and some of the some of the political leadership some of it I think has to do with that like no they don't want to let things get back to normal until every case is gone and I you know intelligent epidemiologists looks at this and says you're out of your mind you have no idea what you're talking about this is ludicrous but it's not actually emotionally ludicrous to two humans per se and I think that that's a very interesting phenomenon that's going on and it's banging up against the other side of it which is other human beings running the çb you know outside of that feeling of responsibility or just feeling of general fear and following those directions or having different political inclinations in other words there's other people that are sent bucking against that and it gets to be potentially fairly heated debate and but I think that part of the desires of some saw some of the leadership is has you know wherever you are or whatever state you're in or whatever the federal part of the doesn't matter who we're talking about anybody that's in a position to be calling some shots on how a community would manage their situation some of the reason for the heavy hand has to do with well we're halfway in let's finish it and that is something that I actually haven't heard a discussion about this phenomenon I've heard it you know the political arguments on all sides but I the the sort of sort of carnal level fear and desire is well we're in this far let's just finish it and I think that's a I think that that the society will eventually have to push back against that which they of course will and so that would that will come apart and I think that that some of the officials desires will wind up being tested in courts because they will feel like now I've got to do the right thing here and the right thing is to keep my clenched fist around this situation and we want to stamp it out and you know I think of course that that they're not going to be able to do that so the it's an interesting I'll just Maas well I wasn't planning on talking about this at all the but I've had I've had a few other thoughts about this which is that I like to when I'm trying to solve problems and think things through I like to try to move parameters around in my imagination I think it's a useful way to sometimes look at problems from diverse angles and see see if the problem is categorical problem where there's either a right way or wrong way or whether it's a parametric problem where in fact is something that's right at 30% is wrong at 40% and so it's a useful thing too if you're not sure moved the 30% to 80% and then see what it looks like to you and so I thought about this and I thought about that I believe that the courts will wind up essentially rejecting heavy-handed moves by governor's and mayors and so on and so forth that they give them some latitude and then they're going to end that latitude and and we might say well now is that the right decision and I think it is the right decision in this case however the I thought to myself is it a right decision in principle and the answer is hmm no not necessarily what if we had a virus that was five times more lethal than this and it was not just five times more lethal but it was more capricious and it was picking off children it was picking off 25 year olds just coming out of college grad school and it's like Oh what if it was a lot worse and and what if what seemed to be recently called for until we knew what to do or what we were going to do was to have very draconian lock downs okay then what did the judges say and I think the answer is hmm I think this becomes an extremely interesting legal question at that point and and we wind up with the legal system essentially trying to figure out you know the answer to parametric problems which is what the legal system often has to do and why they have case law and they mole it all over and you know essentially you try to figure it out willy-nilly is how this happens so the so I think really this becomes sort of an interesting legal frontier in principle because I don't think we're set up that well to try to answer these questions particularly in real time if it's coming at us relatively fast and so you know hopefully we never face Korona times five and if we if we do I think that of course you may not get the public pushback that you're getting now you're getting the public pushback now folks because the the realities are seeping into people about what the real numbers mean for them and their their understanding that their risk levels are actually very low and their their understanding that they are willing to take those risks and they are willing to put you and your family and your elderly people at risk and and the the society given the level of risk that's involved that's a completely reasonable position so in other words the Society at this point would say well if you want to stay home and you have the resources to stay home and you don't want to shake anybody's hand and you don't want to go to a restaurant you want to remain as protected as possible because you're terribly afraid of this then you're free to do so there's nothing to stop you but you can't stop me from taking my risks so up to now what we're seeing is is that that position you know has is just starting to now emerge in in America and that's and that's a legitimate position based on the level of the threats of the life risks that we see in the rep the life risk that we each carry to each other with respect to the lethality of this virus that could be different under different circumstances and there might have to be interesting or you know dramatic and terrible legal questions to be pondered yet it's some future date and we you know I hope I don't have to ever see it so anyway those were just some of my random thoughts about that no they're excellent dr. Lau and I mean it keeps it in context because I was I was thinking about this as I was listening to some more of the stats that you were saying in previous shows and previous videos that you've done and I was thinking of saying the average person is average extraversion introversion and so I looked it up I don't know if it's verified so I didn't really spend a lot of time looking at it but the average person apparently knows 600 people so if the infection rate is 10% 20% whatever the figure you know the different counts will have so the average person might is supposed to know if this thing was you know the average person is supposed to know you know 60 to 100 people that are going to not have been tested positive for this thing or in heaven that there are and so if it's a you know it's the one that we feared 5% killer then people should write they should know you know at least three to six people that have died of this thing but people I mean is my social circle I'm kind of average in terms of extra introversion I don't know anybody yeah like my friends don't know very many people so just by the by there's the smell test it doesn't it doesn't yes yes that's exactly the algorithms going on people are human beings are not designed to do complex mathematics they're not even designed to do statistical descriptive statistics and large numbers they're just not built to do it they're they're built to make their decisions based on the the echoes that they hear from their village and what their village seems to be thinking and so our current society has been inundated with terrifying news from the media who is obviously as Jen would say as perverse incentives for keeping you on the edge of your seat and afraid and this doesn't this isn't to say that the media has not been a generator of constant updates of information in other words the media process has been doing its job to some degree but it's also done something else that that media will do which is to try to make money and so their their mission creep I mean they're trying to make money they're a business person they so think yeah I think think of the the media is a pizza parlor a bunch of pizza parlors okay they're all selling their pizzas and so it turns out that what sells mostly is oh my god we got to tell you the latest thing you need to be terrified of so that mmm that is starting to wear out and it's worn it's worn out its welcome on a significant percentage of people who at first you have to listen and you pause and you think and you know that you don't know but if enough people are essentially semi unanimous saying that you're in serious trouble then you better be careful only a fool doesn't pause and pay attention however as you say the the most important algorithms become what is my real life personal experience and so in my real life personal experience now a couple months into this I've known I don't know seven or eight or ten people that have been infected but knew it and I've I know of a I know a person who had an elderly relative died and elderly in just the kind of an individual that we would expect to die and and so I didn't I didn't catch anybody in my circle there was a surprise nobody that was 68 died nobody that was 74 died the person that died was over 80 and in poor health and so I don't know that many people being an introvert but I'm connected up enough that my circle probably of that I would have heard and would have known oh I didn't know about a 75 year old that was in the hospital and in trouble and on a ventilator and then recovered so that so of the sort of 50 people somehow fairly closely connected to me we have one fatality just where we would expected in the bell curve we had another near fatality just where we would have expected it or pretty close and and that's it okay and we had some people that were sick and told me that it was nasty okay and that that was like the worst flu they ever had so I got the warning you know from my village that hey this was no day at the beach and so that that led me to be personally a more fastidious a little more careful than I would have been the however yeah I think you're absolutely right Nathan that there's stone-age algorithms running in the running the show and it's starting to push back against the fear as it reasonably would and now we watch the both the political and personality and and honest-to-goodness financial interests of all different individuals as they swirl around and the the various little governmental systems try to sort it out so they will and we're seeing them sorted out now and this I always one of my very favorite passages our very favorite visual pictures from The Selfish Gene was Richard Dawkins talking about all the Penguins that that line themselves up on the edge of the ice wanting to go in the water to get the fish but they have to be worried about the sea leopards that lived down there they're these terrifying mammals that kill penguins and so they're they're huddling very close and every once in a while they'll bump into each other and bump somebody in the water and then they'll all look let's see whether or not he gets eaten and this this is reminiscent of what's happening with the politicians all around the country somebody gets bumped in the water or chooses to jump in the water and loosen their controls and then they get to see what happens and every all the other pink ones get to watch and that's what we're gonna see we're gonna see penguins watching other penguins and and we will know well awful lot and the landscape of of control is going to change dramatically here in the next four to six weeks yeah and it didn't help the government's case when just a few maybe it was last week or so Ferguson's in originally a little from the Imperial College of London apparently they tried to recreate the the numbers that he he that everybody was basing all these lock downs with on and we tried to recreate and found out that his model was like somehow broken they they couldn't recreate it at all they just there's some random random thing that had spit out so that didn't I don't think it helped things strange yeah I mean I think that whatever it is that they were thinking had some rationale and I think other very bright minds were saying I don't think he's right okay and I'm pretty sure he's wrong and I'm pretty sure he's pretty badly wrong and it turns out that it's a mess and so when when there's a scary thing you're gonna see two different opposing opinions and you're gonna see a bell curve in between and so that's what we got with coronavirus and we're finding that the we're finding that the bell curve in terms of the how lethal it is now dangerous it is leans significantly towards the more benign interpretation not all the way over there okay and however the the societal impact and how how much consternation this causes and therefore how much care that governments have to to utilize the politicians have to utilize and making their decisions and how you you have this little Zeigarnik effect is open-loop process going on that I think as well as much of other things I think that it's a it's a quite a bit bigger social political financial mess than I ever envisioned I didn't I did not anticipate what it is that I'm saying but I still I believed you know to a couple months ago that that life would look awfully normal by the 1st of July I believe that's still true but I it's it's a lot deeper and messier than I thought it was going to be and you know we're still in for we're still in for some some messy some messy weeks ahead now one final question on this and which is yeah which is that I know that a lot of people have said that and I have heard the argument that one of the arguments to begin open up is that with the lockdown with the businesses shut down people may be at increased risk for suicides and other types of deaths and so now it becomes the ethical problem of weighing two deaths on one side versus the deaths on the other side so the question I have is is you know we've we've said that the people who are the sickest with coronavirus they they only have a few more years left to live so they're essentially going to die anyway coronavirus just speeds that process up so I guess the other question on the other side is is if the people would have killed you know would have committed suicide because of this what are they on their way anyway without a lockdown and this is just speeding it up on the other end interesting questions and I was sort of I don't think that that's I mean the people that may or may not suicide as a result of financial Calamity's is I I don't know I suppose one would want to wade in on that and one could and that was that was a that was a beautiful line by the way a Brad Pitt's character in the big short and where were the two the two guys the little guy was dancing because he knew it was gonna get rich because he'd figured out how to short the market and and Pitt said don't dance you know people buy with every 1% of unemployment you know X amount of people died and by die I'm think he was meaning suicide there's I'm not sure what else you would die from the so I suppose it's a consideration but to me it would be one of many considerations and it wouldn't be an apples-to-apples issue there at all it's a it's a much more multi-dimensional multivariate in a question as to the cost benefits of of what it is that we're doing incidentally it's very unclear about any benefit that I've taken place as a result of this other than the flattening of the curve and therefore not overwhelming health systems I'm not sure and no typical epidemiologist would tell you they don't really think that you're saving any lives with respect to the virus you may save lives with respect to not overwhelming a health system so the that's the whole point of flattening the curve is to distribute the deaths so that we don't overwhelm a system you're not going to stop them from happening now this is where it gets tricky and bizarre for people to try to be think clear about this because you look over to Asia and it looks like they just stopped it okay stop keeping so it's like okay now how was that done okay and if it was done there should we be doing it and I think that that it can be done with sufficient unbelievable draconian measures and and those are measures that know now that becomes you talk about a legal test and a test of American ideals and how it is that we're gonna live that's a that becomes a whole different question I don't think that possibility is on the chess board for yeah I don't think it was on the chess board for most of these societies in Europe and it wasn't in on the chess board for the United States or Canada and I don't think it's on the chess board for Brazil or Mexico or all kinds of other places the the fact that you had some countries in Asia that that had sufficient verticality to the political system and that that they could they could just do that and that they could they they had enough fear and compliance in the society that they would follow suit you know I can't remember in Japan I heard something like oh well if you you sell a mask on the black market you're gonna get thrown in jail and fined hundred dollars there was something there's some outlandish penalty that would never fly in the United States Court okay so we we give our citizens and we have granted our citizens and our through our history and our just our psychology of way more freedom than that and and as a result of that that that means that the government doesn't have that kind of control it is a fascinating thing to we will learn in the months to come whether or not they were actually successful and they were actually able to choke this these things by the throat and choke him out and if they did they did and it's like okay that's very interesting that you did at what price and you know and what was the net benefit and now now comes in you know if anybody wants to make a case for that at a us situation you would have to then again do the total accounting that's involved you know how you know how much of how many people's lives do you want to dis row and how many people do you want to essentially bankrupt so that they can't buy new brakes for their car and they don't and then they have auto accidents you know how many how many relationships are torn apart behind the the financial disruption hmmm how many dreams died and what what did we do you know why did we do this in exchange for specifically what and so that's that's why that's why I won't mind looking at very careful academic level statistical analysis of what what did we get and what did we give up for it you know what and what was the exchange and and was it a good one and I think that we're gonna find that the exchange from from everyday past may the first was probably pretty badly in the red I think is what we're going to find I think that that computing in the amount of uncertainty that we had through April that we that we weren't quite sure what we were dealing with and not enough people knew and not we didn't have a great enough understanding that it probably made a lot of sense to be overreacting very conservative cross your fingers flatten the curve and try to get prepared I think that makes a lot of sense now that we sit with greater information and a greater understanding I think that that the that it makes sense that what we're seeing around the country and many municipalities is an opening up and opening up slow the Penguins watching each other in the water and and I think that I think we're in the red now but not badly in other words I think that I think it's wise to kind of do things halfway the way we're doing them and we've got distributed decision-making all over the place so that we've got more conservative more liberal more wild more more careful kinds of personalities in these different municipalities and but they're all watching each other and so I I don't like Garcetti and Los Angeles is obviously very anxious guy very worried doesn't want to who doesn't want to have the big loser pinned on his forehead and but he's now going to get to watch other other governors other states and other municipalities who are are more relaxed than his and more confident and he's going to be able to watch what happens to them and then he's going to see that it's unlikely that that any catastrophe is brewing and that he can now safely move towards relaxing control so I think that to me if you're in Los Angeles and you have an understanding that you believe that this is a mistake to be as controlling as he is right now then you're very very frustrated and you're ready to call out the new revolution I know you know you're you're all bent out of shape High Noon on me or whatever the day they're gone yeah sure sure yeah this is yeah folks this is this is not the Vietnam War this is not your government you know doing some terrible thing to you that we have to that we have to call to arms and then we got a fight in a street fighting man you know this is not what this is this is different people different personalities looking at the problem in fear and and some a little more bold than others and in a little bit better situation than others possibly more confidence and less downside risk to their careers or just their their own intuitions and and so you're gonna find a you know a whole bunch of different moving parts and 30 days from now as you would as you're expected in the first day of class in the first grade that some kids are more bold and they are ready to raise their hand for the teacher and other kids at the back of the class can't even squeak out their names okay because of their anxiety and so we find though that the at the end of the the first two or three weeks even a little shy one at the back will will call out her name when they're asked you know it just took a little while and I think that a little while now is you know the month of May and into part of June and you know for me to be fair to these governors that that I get a little angst over is I wouldn't want to be in their position so I think they're yeah I I had somebody send me a sort of flaming email that I think she took issue with the fact that I've complimented the world's governments and people and she took that as a big endorsement of Trump and was just all bent out of shape with me and and what anybody thinks of Trump or not or Garcetti or not or Gavin Newsom or not or DeSantis in Florida or not the truth of the matter is these are all individuals that are scrambling like hell not to look bad not the idiots not piss people off and they're trying to do the right thing the fact that they have different information different personalities somewhat different political agendas that's all pay such as life you know so what the truth is is that I look back at humanity trying to communicate like crazy now the rage in China that they may have covered things up and pretended that it wasn't as bad it's like yeah I mean you could be really mad at them for doing that but could you blame them for crying out loud if I knock over my aunt's favorite vase and you know and there's a dog around I'm creeping out of there and I'm gonna so I mean I can there's all these curious ideas about suing him I don't know this is all for for other people to think about but I look at human beings in general and I look at the communication and cooperation and and general and concern you know within this country for our own people and for and our curiosity and interest and worry about people elsewhere and in our fascination with how different places are trying to handle it and trying to learn and everybody's feverishly you know trying to try and trying to figure and learn and and try to demonstrate that they think they've got the answer it's like hey it's all fun to me and so I don't I don't really have heavy-handed criticism really for I don't know enough about I'm sure there's some individuals out there that if I knew what they were doing in their position that I would be like thoroughly disgusted maybe I but I haven't actually I don't even know of a single case about that I know that there's people that I would disagree with and I would debate them and I would try to convince some of my position that my position might be different than theirs but I don't know anybody that I've disgusted with that I don't know except one guy all right so I was talking to a doctor friend of mine and I said hey listen there's this really good news it looks like this group you know may have a vaccine which would be fabulous and they talked about their there are eight initial people and that they had good good results and it looks like they're gonna be scaling up for a bigger test and I was I was very happy about this it's like I have not been expecting that that we would see a vaccine or any serious promise of a vaccine anytime soon I mean vaccines are difficult to chant see I'm amused when they talk about how well we're gonna get ready to scale up you know for millions of things that's a pie in the sky talk like we're gonna make millions of these things called computers it's like well first figure out how to make one okay so first figure out whether or not you can even figure this thing out so so they had reported that they had some good results and so I was talking to doc friend of mine and and she hadn't heard about this so we were pretty happy about it and then I can't remember what happened so I went on to wanting to get some more information to tell her about it and it says oh well looks looks like there's bad news on that and I'm like oh god I just heard this good news yet you know yesterday and so it turns out that it turns out that there's a guy apparently that's the head of the White House Task Force on the what do you call it vaccine and this guy held a company or he was founder or some big stock old or major player in this company that made this announcement on Monday that they had this great results and it turns out that on Tuesday a bunch of scientists are saying wait a second how come they didn't publish it why don't their show us what the results are I don't you know many thing this is not passing the sniff test and so major academics are saying where's the numbers dude it turns out on Monday their stock soared way up the whole stock market lifted and it turns out that our little friend that's the head of the White House Task Force on a vaccine sold out 12 million of his shares that's speaking of that movie Big Short yeah it totally spewed like that it's so bad I have never seen a news report so fast to put a blazing 10,000 watt eyeball you know on on a specific individual for pulling a stunt like this I have no idea if this is actually what went down but it looks folks really bad that is the ultimate what they call pump and dump on Wall Street now we have a brand new virus gonna save the world and oh by the way while we're announcing this bogus result probably I'm selling all my stock so yeah it's a it's it's an amazing carousel drama and we'll just have to keep learning more and and you know slowly and surely moving a good direction as I think we generally are well
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