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dear dr. Lyle can someone who's usually very extroverted avoid people and situations because they do not want to display a status change I've noticed that since putting on weight that I'm more of a homebody and I wonder if it's the shame keeping me inside because I don't want negative esteem signals from others who noticed us wait King well of course okay so yeah a very honest open question and self-assessment your hmm so let's just let's go back and explain a little bit about about personality just kind of briefly and that is that you're if we call you extroverted that's because that's a description of how it is that you are different than other people and that what that means is is that relative to the average person you are more outgoing you know in overall if we were to look at 250 different types of situations we would find that you would be chirping up more than other people you'd be making more eye contact you'd be closing the distance between people you'd more words would be said by you etc and you would be asking more questions you would be causing more social interaction than the average person now the that that's just a general overall characteristic that is if we looked at you across thousands of situations we would find that you would have a score on a on a bell curve and so other people if they all had very similar looking situations to see to you we would find that their scores the average person's score would be lower so maybe you caused you know an average of 1757 words per conversation and they they caused 942 words per conversation and it turns out that out of out of a thousand opportunities for those possibilities you had 677 interactions and the average person had 341 so these are quantitative variations that are that are in your genetic code that cause you to be more social than the average person that that's an overall orientation towards the threats and opportunities that are involved in social interaction not just threats but also costs in other words the entire thing is simply a cost benefit of an analysis now the however cost-benefit analysis aren't running a vacuum quite the opposite they're running an entirely integrated package of all values of your life so all things being equal if you've just had you you have some embarrassing display of a status loss either weight where you just lost a job where you've been divorced or yeah or your kid just got thrown in prison in other words there would be any number where you took a second place in some contest and everybody thought you're going to take first so any possible way that you could be losing status and it would be publicly observable and known is going to cause you to not want to be in the public eye obviously okay so maybe it's not so obvious but but you can see why that would be true and particularly with respect to having gained a bunch of weight so you're going to be essentially trying to not be seen until you can do something about it and so yeah so your your extraversion is still your extraversion but it's running its computations about what's in your best interests through a a dynamic filter of cost-benefit analyses and in this case it's telling you hey better stay hidden for a while and see if we can sort this thing out all right well on the other side dr. Lyle I feel that I often get ignored in social groups and don't get the basic respect given to most people for example even in an academic setting many people are allowed to go on long rambling rants but as soon as I take a breath after a pause someone steps in and I often begin the same sentence three times before giving up because I am talked over I'm quite sure it's not because I have nothing of value to add I'm quite introverted but I don't know what verbal and nonverbal cues that I'm leaking that make other people think it's their best move to step over me yeah interesting so likely to be a female and if you're unlikely to be an agreeable female probably that that is reason reasonably Pleasant not particularly assertive no no indication that she's going to be penalizing anybody or for doing this and so in a in a pack of hyenas that everybody's trying to get the floor to show off you know obviously more aggressive individuals more disagreeable individuals are going to be likely to you know essentially be savoring the the opportunity to open up their own mouths and try to get a bunch of status so far far quiet relatively introverted pleasant individual is is is is not signalling any cost associated with those interruptions then then yeah this is likely to continue as long as you're in those situations so did the individual ask what they're supposed to do about it maybe now I'm okay I remember the question yeah it's just saying um she's just saying that she gets ignored I'm assuming she wants to know what she can do about it just wants to know if he can evil and nonverbal cues oh right yeah you're leaking yeah she's leaking cues she's leaking cues of pleasant individual and pleasant individual is not going to impose costs on anybody so there would be if it's the same individuals for example let's suppose that it's a [Music] who knows it's an academic setting it sounds like a student so the so if the students in a situation where a bunch of other students are desperately trying to signal their dominance for various and sundry outcomes then she just doesn't she doesn't have as much on the line the sounds odd and it would sound even sexist but generally that would be the case so for example for a male desperate to climb a dominance hierarchy it's more important that they muscle their way to the top of that hierarchy and if they have to step on a few necks to get there oh well okay so whereas the if it's if this is a female writer it's likely that it's not you know even though it may be very important to her it's likely to be not as important to her as it is to the disagreeable individuals for doing this so the problem with this ultimately is that we have a bad diamond attire get the top that we have someone who's in charge this is letting this go okay so your real problem it's really not a problem with you it's a problem with leadership and so that problem is although it's transient it's likely to be recurrent in your life in other words there will be times and places across your life where this is likely to happen and if you there'd be every different situation would call for a slightly different solution as to how to handle it okay so if it was a recurrent set of people then then you then you could literally go to for example the one of the more agreeable pleasant but assertive people and you could try to form a coalition with them and you could you could say to them for example you know I really appreciate a lot of things that you say I think you have a lot of good things to say on however one thing that that is uncomfortable for me is sometimes I have you know once a while I have something to say as well and I feel like I have a hard time getting the floor or keeping it and I feel like you know you and others that are more assertive kind of talk over the top of me so I know you probably don't mean anything by it and you do have a lot to say but you know I'd appreciate it if in the future you just might pause a little bit and give me a give me a little space you know I'm not going to take up the floor forever I just want to get my words out and it's not easy for me if you do that then you wind up with a champion in there it isn't going to let anybody else do it either and that you let them you know you don't need to bark once you own a dog so that's a that would be a technique that would be a technique for for essentially you know for essentially getting yourself an ally at which point you become much tougher so that's that's that would be one solution to one particular configuration but there would be others but the funding problem that the person is is having is a lack of leadership and organization in the guiding force there and you know so oftentimes they'll be in better situations but a lot of situations are like that and and so a lot of times they're if it's necessary we have to do some of the social engineering to to have better outcomes for ourselves and that would be one another would be to go to whoever's ostensibly in leadership and go to them privately and say listen you know I know that there's a lot of people have a lot of interesting things to say I don't have a lot to say but when I do I really appreciate that if I could have before I feel like the I feel like the barbarians are at the gate and you know I know they're smart man but they're five times more assertive than I am and I feel like my thinking is just as good as theirs and I feel like you know what I'm ready to speak up I'd appreciate a little bit of a little bit of support okay ie you frickin worthless lack a backbone flake who has let this go in a way that it shouldn't but we do nicely and pleasantly and then we we try to stick a ramrod up the quasi alpha spine so that they can do something about it that's another way to do it Pasadena I if I could get a time machine and go back you know a couple of decades ago and watch you in college dr. Lisle I think it would be really fun all right let's go all right dear dr. Lyle here we have I think you said the animal in the zoo problem you're dr. Lyle I do not feel depressed but I am painfully prone to passivity I often feel that I'm not doing anything with my life but any episodes of inspiration or motivation only last for a minute or two I don't have any financial troubles so perhaps I lack pressure for my life but I don't know how I could create pressure wow what a first world problem yeah I kinda don't have any stress kind of don't have any goals that are a little bit outside of my reach so I don't I don't really have to move around on my chair too much cuz I can pretty much reach them all well my friend you've got you you've got enough natural social support and enough intelligence and enough capability and enough knowledge and if secured yourself and secure enough circumstances that you get to exercise effectively the energy conservation machinery inside the system and that's what you're doing and it's genetic so you you can't you can't talk ambition in anybody can't do it the that this is you know this is just how it is there's a I may not tell the story quite right but there was a there was a 7-foot two-inch the clay I think in the 1980s and he maybe early 90s he had enormous potential he was strong as an ox he was athletic and but I don't think he was really that serious about making the most of his potential his name was Tito Horford and the you know you can just see the general managers in the NBA just drooling over Tito Horford and he played for many years and had I think probably several teams and yeah didn't like he couldn't play but I think everybody saw this incredible potential that was potentially a Hall of Fame body but didn't have that push now I could be telling the story I may not be being fair to Tito maybe he worked harder than I know but I think the story was there was a lot of frustration that Tito Orford had he worked as hard as the average NBA player he would have been really special ironically his son Al Horford is a tremendous tremendous worker and didn't did not get his dad's body so al is 610 he's not seven two and as but Al Horford has been an all-star he's been an extraordinarily hard worker all his life in basketball won a national couple pair national championships at the University of Florida with with Joakim Noah and so there's a third there's a third amigo the three I'm forgetting point is is that you know you couldn't talk it out of Al Horford and this person is kind of hey you know just not that stress don't feel that inspired just sort of moments of inspiration coming Gummer in an instant [Laughter] well III have no advice for you the I look around the world for me personally and and see more inspiring things than I will ever have a chance to do anything about that's me so I'm doing what I can do it's as feebly or well as I can and many people are that way and many people are I get to a place where they're comfortable and and you know all they want to do is you know lay it lay in the Sun have a decent situation you know make love once in a while and watch their kids grow and all is cool you know they don't they don't burn they don't burn with anything greater than that so as long as this person has pretty good life satisfaction I'm not looking down at all it's just a different nervous system than the nervous systems of someone who would not be comfortable in those situations without half essentially watching their actions follow their passion that comes innately and naturally into the system and that's how it is I had a friend of mine he was sky dressed that was like this is could a bit this could have been written by him that he was just relaxed Pleasant had a good life everything's cool plenty of money no need to do anything fancy and just like to go home after work and play on his xbox I couldn't believe it [Music] you know just I would tell them about interesting things in the development of evolutionary psychology he'd listened pleasantly for about five minutes and then that was it he was not interested in listening anything more and such such his life that's the that's the life of my friend the doctor as opposed to my life and that's that's innate that's any to people and and God knows he's probably gets just as much satisfaction out of his life as I get out of mine but I would not be satisfied with his life and he would be puzzled and confused by by the efforts that I put in just because it doesn't wouldn't make any sense to not when there's a Shea's lounge and a bunch of grapes what why why on earth are you doing anything that's individual differences in people mm-hmm do you think are there individual differences and genetic differences with regards to discipline ability oh absolutely yeah well overwhelmingly that's true in fact you know this is not a bad departure to actually talk about some things that I've learned about about individual differences in people things some things that I didn't know I recently read a book called blueprint who's published last year by Robert Plomin and Robert Foreman is one of the very narrow handful of grand old men of behavior genetics so he's one of our great living scientists and he says point-blank that in the book that he did he wanted to publish this book 30 years ago but he he says he didn't do it out of cowardice because favored genetics is the ultimate of of anti PC it doesn't get any worse for political correctness than behavior genetics so the Diploma has finally published the Summa of his career and there are several i opening insights in the book that that i questions that i had had and also mistakes you know misunderstandings that i had had and one of the there are there a few so i'll summer summarized a few things on plumbin explains that the evidence indicates that essentially 100% of the systematic variation about your intelligence where your personality is genetic so he doesn't actually he doesn't say that in exactly those terms but that's what it's that's precisely what's being said it's a hundred percent of what we're going to call the systematic variation in other words we see it winds up being half of the variance of what it is that you measure so let me explain why it's so the the people on the other side the sort of loyal opposition over there in learning theory and dynamic land are going to say oh well half of its genetic and half of its environment and that would be an incorrect characterization of what the data is demonstrating the let's suppose we have two monozygotic twins and we're tracking anything about them how happy they are how conscientious they are a depressed they are how honest they are as we as we watch them we see that they are extremely similar but when we measure for example how happy they are on June 27 of their 22 23rd birthday one of them John is quite a bit happier than Pete okay now the in fact we may even measure them we may measure that again you know sixteen months later and it's also true that John is happier than Pete and so this would say well they are not exactly the same on this measure and since they're not exactly the same it's clearly not entirely genetic so therefore the environment is responsible which is true in principle but here's the problem that this wood from an environmentalist perspective this would be the idea that John is inherently happier than Pete because of a history of things that have happened and therefore biased his nervous system through some process to be you know he's learned to be happier he's learned to be more adopt he's learned this or he's learned that he's become this or he's become that that is not what the data indicates what it indicates is that all of the variation that is not captured by the genetics wind up being entirely unpredictable table so there is no system to it so John isn't consistently happier than Pete he's just happier at time one at time too he may be happier or he may be less happy but it's completely unpredictable at time to who's going to be happier between the pair in other words there is no systematic variance when you when you raise two monozygotic twins apart and you have a cold reject being alcoholic nasty gnarly punishing father in in the one house and then you have a warm loving supportive wonderful you know it's a father and mother in the other house there is no systematic difference in those personalities as they as they become adults none there is no difference in how warm supportive Pleasant either one of those are it is 50/50 okay if you had to say on the score sheet which one is going to seem calmer and more pleasant today you would not you you it would not be the one that came out of the pleasant household there would be no you would be literally a coin flip okay in other words there's no systematic process by which environmental inputs are causing changes in the personality or the intelligence of humans okay this is incredible this is literally one of the greatest discoveries in the history of social science and yet it is so counterintuitive so so difficult for people to swallow that it's it's literally remains obscured even in modern textbooks plumbin very clearly makes this case and he has a few phrases to encapsulate this message he says for example parenting is important but it doesn't make any difference what he's saying is is that you live 15 20 years with your parents so if you're a parent is a disagreeable pain the knack and why's you and this new abusive hey you it's important in the fact that you had a lousy existence as a result of that but it won't make any difference in your personality it's not going to make any difference at all and you personally it just meant that those years were lousy if you had a wonderful parent it's like that doesn't make any difference at all when it comes to your personality but you had a much better existence so it's parenting important it's enormous ly important is the environment important it is enormous we important but it won't change fundamentally who it is that you are at all that's what he means a hundred percent of who it is that you are that that is genetic what's happening in your life is an interaction between what that genetic mechanism is and your environment so course is if you're a parent or your coach or you're a teacher or your counselor of course it matters what you do because it's making a difference in terms of that individual's existence but it's not changing them so this is this completely turns the tables upside down on both learning theory and psychodynamic which is a essentially its own twist on learning theory versions of human psychological development so if you're a Freudian dynamic oriented psychologist if someone comes into you who's anxious and depressed your thinking is what underlying troubles you know someone is a real terrible worrywart what happened back in your early childhood what were the object relations ie the relationships between you and your parents and significant others to cause you to feel like you didn't live it pure world and therefore you made this you know we've twisted your nervous system up to be like this no it didn't make any difference at all if you have an inch depressed you know worrywart that's genetic that's what they are now the question is if you're a psychotherapist what can we do to change the current circumstances to deactivate those instincts from being so you know you obviously are being there consistently sort of overwhelmed by the challenges in your current circumstances what can we do to modify the current circumstances not what can we do to change you and go back and heroically reparent and recall the abuses you know towering crap that you had to put up with it turned you into who it is that you are today no it didn't turn you into what you are today there is no quote re parenting reorganizational process that a human being can go through because that those events did not influence that person's personality this is what Roman shows and it's it's checkmate there's no doubt that this is the way it is the another thing that I learned from plumbing this is I mean these things are already knew and you guys have heard me say this stuff before but mmm now I'm more vehement because my I hadn't actually looked into behavior genetics data in quite a long time the reason is is that I was aware of half a dozen fairly major studies all pointing to exactly the same very similar-looking coke coalition coefficients so there was there was no doubt in my mind and there was nowhere for learning theory or dynamic developmental theory to go so I I've been done with this question since you know 1992 however I also knew that that I didn't know that much about the field so I knew that mmm you know it's not like it's not like you don't hearing every other week about how boost childhood experiences cause this and cause that so you know I've been less than totally arrogant about this maybe just a hair however now that I've read plumbin I was concerned for you know if you're all if you're if your view is on half a dozen super well-designed studies you know you're on super solid ground and nothing is going to tip that over but you don't know what slot might come to might and there might be there might be significant sources of variance that we didn't quite see Frank fill away because as a heck of a thinker had really thought that birth order might have significant effects on how adventurous and defiant young men would be if they were in the second order as opposed to them to be the first in the order because they needed to leave their father's businesses because they weren't going to be the one etcetera so I read that and a book called born doorbells major major effort to try to understand human psychological development it fell away really thought that he had something and it turned out he didn't it's all bogus he was all it was all just what it looked like a bunch of anecdotal deep thinking by a fine scholar looking for a pattern and in the end finding nothing that was true now the what I didn't know is that I knew the original Minnesota study of monozygotic twins raised apart that the the the beautiful evidence that came in early in the mid eighties was ninety two twin pairs I believe and and there's an up studies those have enough statistical power the effect sizes are huge it's very clear it's been not much has ever been found for environmental effects on the development of personality and the genetics have been huge that's what the story has been but now I find out that quietly like a bunch of termites behavior geneticists around the world have compiled a phenomenal amount of data in fact so it's not 92 twin pairs 116 it's 15 million 15 million twin pairs have been studied in the last three decades and they have published over 2700 scientific studies this is how it is behavior genetics shouldn't even be called behavior genetics it should be called personality all other theories of personality are wrong and totally useless and not only that they are the they're harmful to be as data out there in the world as naive clinicians continue to sprout this stuff and read people all over the place in ways that are non-productive behavior genetics is personality that's the story now one last thing I'll tell you from plumbing and you can read it for yourself and enjoy the feast there's more there's more in there that I'm going to tell you but there's another thing that I did not know and I was just really pleased to learn because I just didn't know we I think we've had this question asked on the podcast before and I was taken in my understanding I believed that there was such a thing called that we're going to call psychopathology and that you could have openness to experience for example on the dimension but openness to experience and instability you know if you got super open you're pretty wacky you believe in all kinds of stuff and if you're super unstable hey you know then you're really open and really unstable okay I could be a pretty wacky looking human but I didn't understand that things like schizophrenia and bipolar disorder they are not apart from these bell curves they are just on the bell curve now I had been making that argument with respect to personality disorders so you know you you've heard me say that a psychopath is just a disagreeable low conscientious human it's just a combination of those things a narcissist is not a quote narcissistic personality disorder that's just a very disagreeable person a borderline personality disorder isn't some haywire thing that went wrong and development about connection with some parent no a borderline personality disorder is just a name we give to people for people who are disagreeable and unstable okay so that had been my conviction that in personality disorders I was convinced that there wasn't something quote haywire beyond nothing other than bell curves on personality dimensions Roman enlightened me that it goes for everything it doesn't stop there that's what schizophrenia is there isn't a place where you sit at the 98th percentile on that dimension and you are fine and then if you if you know something Wiggles in your life and you slip and you kind of hit your head and now when you tip you over the 99 percentile and now you're schizophrenic and you're crazy now it's all on the bell curve that there is no there is no slippery slope out there and the problem is another major thing a huge discovery was that that I expected that there would be a few genes that would be responsible so one of my professors in grad school was Professor Erving Goffman who is probably the leading figure in mid to late century investigations in the genetics of schizophrenia and goddess Minh finally came to the conclusion that he thought that it was you know some X number of genes a handful and that that's that's probably what was responsible that's why you saw this huge familial influence that he discovered but you did not but but you you didn't fall in lines like brown eyes blue eyes it was a simple Mendelian genetics it was messier than that and a lot Messier and therefore he thought you know there could be five ten genes it turns out there are thousands it's not five or ten so if you're measuring any characteristic like conscientiousness like openness to experience like intelligence like craziness you're not looking at a few genes you're looking at 5,000 genes 5,000 genes determines where you are on the bell curve this is incredible this means you can't find some master control switch for a gene for bipolar disorder which incidentally is essentially the same characteristics it's the same genes in the same problem as schizophrenia so what was what was once bought as a major distinction between two major classes of psychiatric problems ie bipolar dimension versus schizophrenia no it turns out that it's the same genes so you got subtly different manifestations at different times etc now and it's just it's on a bell curve issue of chain concentrations etc this is really interesting and it's important for us to know and it also pretty well checkmates the pharmaceutical industry for coming up with a solution because you don't you're not looking for one little thing to one little gene that affects one neurotransmitter that we shut that down or get it regulated we're going to fix the problem no you're not okay not when there's five to ten thousand genes associated with this particular characteristic there's no way for that to happen so this is an extraordinary document blueprint and it's it's the documentation of these some of these major essentially evolution of our understanding of what the behavior genetics data was suggesting in some ways you know 30 years ago and further but now it's reached a crescendo so now we are now we know much more than we knew 20 years ago we know that there are thousands of genes involved with a single dimension we know that that what we call the the abnormal is simply normal it's simply part of the normal curve we know that what you're observing when you're observing these things is genetic and not subject to environmental influence of any particular you know except for very short term little perturbations as we would talk about monozygotic twins John might be happier first two times we measure him but the third time you thought two years later his girlfriend dumped ten Pete's got a new girlfriend and now Pete's happy oh so in other words it's random variation that is that is what's causing the the lack of precision that's why you can't just get somebody's genes coded and say well I know that you're super happy and super stable and everything's great for you right now no you may have very good happy genes and good stable genes but things could be shit for you right now because your environment is in real trouble okay so and but what will happen is when that trouble passes your personality will undoubtedly return to spend most of its life at the baseline that it was designed by a nature to be in so all things being halfway equal you will have a very stable happy life if those were the genes that you were given so this is the this is the extraordinary confidence and precision that now come out of behavior genetics Plomin did not say this the way that I'm saying it personality theory has been has been discussed forever and it's been has been seen as a mishmash it is a grudging a grudging concession to the data from behavioral genetics has been seen as a nature and nurture combination this is not true we have now have the answer to the understanding of personality and a hundred percent of the variance god knows we can't say that because if you have a hammer fall and hit you on the head we've now done brain damage and so therefore your experiences may well influence your personality let's just point out that essentially all of systemic variances miserable in the human personality is due to the Jin's so that's the that's the story from the grand old professor Robert lemon and with huge implications for psychiatry clinical psychology and and even though he doesn't say it politics economics all kinds of things fall from this the world is going to have to choke down these realities they're not going to have a choice for the reason that one last one last thing that I will explain that Ullman explained is that up to now there's there's been a space and the science that has allowed the wiggle room of inference for people who are not mathematically inclined or interested to follow the logic of behavior genetics and that is okay well you measured the twins and then yeah you tell me that they've kept same genes but you know well I can't see the genes and I don't know what they are so I'm not so sure but that's really the reason okay that's sort of the I don't want to hear it or I'm not smart enough or I don't want to think that clearly and believe me all of that goes on at the highest level of social science that lack of clarity and lack of respect and lack of willingness to focus and essentially acknowledge what the evidence demonstrates however that's over that's over because now they can actually cheaply enough with with a crashing cost they're now able to actually measure the genes directly so now there is simply all of the psychological testing that has ever been done in the world it's now currently defunct it is it is a dinosaur there's no reason for an IQ test at all all we need to do is just get your genetic profile and we can tell there's no reason to take you know to have a personality inventory like the MMPI God forgive it'd throw out the whole idea of anybody takin a Rorschach which is a useless piece of garbage but we're talking about the MMPI for God's sake the most respected personality instrument in the world there's no reason for it okay we can now measure the genes directly we know what you are we know how emotionally stable you are we can tell you're right there at the sixty nine percentile because you've got these genes we've got the 5677 genes mapped and we know how many of them you've got and we know that the ones that are influential all have similar amount of influence each gene has about 1/100 of 1% of the influence on the phenotype it's unbelievable tiny little influences so we don't even have to worry about which of those five thousand three hundred and seventy-seven genes you've got whatever the ones you've got we can chart it and we know who you are we know how smart you are we know how stable you are we know how open to experience you are we know how introverted or extroverted you are we know how disagreeable you are in fact we know you that that it's it's no longer necessary to do intermediary tasks this is unbelievable so this this is the end of any objections and so in the social sciences to behavior genetics it's over so it's very affordable now with that it's pretty profound implications politically speaking because I mean if I were you guys someone who was just genetically lower ability and yeah is it to date they've just been bluffing their way through life they may scream really loud at not wanting these things published right sure there could be a lot of reasons um it's going to get this you know it's going to get it's going to get hot in this kitchen so the the you can believe that the extraordinary anti PC flavor that comes with with behavior genetics is going to this is going to be in the next fit you know 10 to 15 years this is going to be extraordinary to watch humanity deal with this knowledge the it just turns out by chance that we could have chosen a few a better spokespeople than Robert Plomin still young enough to be able to speak up and elucidate you know the realities of this situation plumbin is tall handsome well-spoken he's also amazingly enough far left politically the and so as a result he's a guy that has cringed when he's been called a Nazi for what is that he's found and he feels you know just light like it like a true you know true person of science committed to the truth he simply followed his nose to the truth and here he's playing it out for us he and now an awful lot of other people this is the new realities this is what's going to happen pretty soon with what's coming is people figuring out what your profile is and now knowing how to sell you you know what it is that would be the easiest thing to sell you so they're sort of doing that now but it's going to get way better in the years to come and this isn't necessarily particularly creepy you know I would just soon be pitched by companies that know what it is that I'm inherently looking for rather and by companies that don't have any idea and so the world is going to get get more focused and waste less energy and when income when it comes to trying to put in front of people the products and services and things that they that they actually are are genetically drawn to and fine you know it's been done crudely up to now that's what the Wall Street Journal is versus the National Enquirer okay but it's going to get better and it's going to get extremely precise as a result of the fact that behavior genetics is true and also the fact that it can be measured with precision so it's a it will be fascinating I will get to have the satisfaction in the last third of my life watching this this reality which you know I've been aware of and have been in the extreme minority of social scientists that has been willing to openly acknowledge this truth and have been disagreeable enough and conscientious enough to not waver and the and so this is how it is folks and it's important right now at you okay with that good luck to Italia well the thing is is that it's a clinic and this is invaluable so you know the if the clinicians would open their minds to this when you're staring at somebody with their with their issues understand you're looking you know partly at their circumstances and enormous ly at their genetic code and if you recognize that you can be more effective at the advice and direction that you give them because once you understand that the reason why they are the way they are is because that's how they are that starts changing you know the clinicians frustration with how it is that we're going to fix you so that you're more like a person in the middle of the bell curve when you're not instead we started figuring out how to adapt your strategies to figure out how we're going to put find an ecological niche for you the ditch your particular genotype better that's what we're going to want to do with a great many problems in clinical psychology fascinating the name of the book is blueprint how DNA makes us who we are by Robert Plomin don't be confused there's another book that comes up at the top when you search blueprint on say Google or Amazon or something like that it's another book by the same name that just came out three months ago so that maybe they might have an intellectual property fight going on but but this is blueprint how DNA makes us who we are by Robert plumbin
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