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I've have I got a terrific guest today I am so excited because today starts doing the show every day in a regular time so from now on the show will be at 11 a.m. Pacific time the only time they'll be an exception is once in a while there's a doctor that's in a place like New Zealand in Australia if I were to do it at 11:00 a.m. that would be 3:00 a.m. for them so on June 15th when I have dr. Greg Fitzgerald it will be at 3:00 p.m. but if you sign up for my mailing list we send out every day who the guest is what the time or if you subscribe to me on youtube as well that's a great way to stay connected and be notified whenever I go live so who better to kick off the celebration of a regular time then pretty much everybody's favorite guest if you go to my You Tube channel you'll see I probably interviewed or have close to 600 YouTube's now who have I interviewed the most that tells you something every time I get to interview him it's like the night before you go to Disneyland because it's just he's brilliant he's so fun to talk to he's it's just everybody loves him and it's such a privilege to be able to talk to him as often as I do I thought this one from from Mike but a lot of a lot of men wrote in questions to what's interesting he said I keep hearing about this Cove in 1940 like the freshman 10 the amount of weight people are gaining sheltering at home I keep hearing that people are overeating because of the stress of world affairs or because they are isolated and trapped at home is this a real thing or some people just using the pandemic as an excuse to be self indulgent one of these people have gained weight anyway even if all was well in the world well this is a very big question and I'm sure that the that the answer is is complex and individual so I'm probably a pretty I'm pretty confident there will be no net weight gain in the United States as a result of it that's because pretty much the macronutrient and fiber content of the food that people leave Rico but enduring codes that are going to be about the same thing now some of the things you're going to change so instead of eating the chili cheeseburger Chili's they're eating you know macaroni and cheese out of crap foods at home but from the macaroni from the the overall lower density and food content is basically the same so people's taste preferences don't change and I don't think that we're going to see any any impact there now given the fact that there's no macro change in in the US or anywhere else as far as that goes I'm sure that there's no particular difference the question is what about specific individuals now in this case of course was going to be just going to be individuals that use this time to monster TVs four-minute cannon rather they understand that that we've got some handicaps on our on our abilities to do various things and it's time to take care of business and so they decide this is when they're going to learn to cook big food this is where they're going to start an exercise program this is when they're going to get themselves organized so they're going to make the best of it and they're going to drop 10 pounds during Cody okay somebody Alice is going to possibly get derailed and feel like they have to hang on every word of the news media they're going to eat that emotional junk food and they're going to feel like well sort of what's the use role we're all just you have to just sit here and endure and now they're going to I don't know eat eat handful after handful of goldfish while they watch the whybut widely watch the fiasco so individuals are going to sort of respond to changing situations in a way that's consistent with their personalities and their their motives for that time in their life so I have no doubt that there's going to be some folks that are going to quote use this as an excuse to go self-indulgent there's going to be other folks they're going to use this as a as a very unusual opportunity one thing that I found it that surprised me a little bit in the middle of coated is that I've got a couple of friends in the business trying to help people really clean house about their in terms of their body so Nathan Gershenfeld at Baskin escape in Los Angeles and Alan both hammer up in a true north to Northern California both of them have been busy it's like isn't that interesting so even though people you know are supposed to be staying at home said well you know I'll just stay at home in a place where I can possibly do a watercrafts or a juice fasts and I need a bunch of really healthy food get my act together it's like those businesses have contained because some people have used this as a if I'm going to be forced on the timeout anyway and I can't be doing my job now it's the time to actually use this as opportunity to take care of business I had to shut the window because I got a neighbor that's very handy two doors down and they called the sack and he's been working every day you know this is this is not a this house continues to pass mine in terms of its beauty because he keeps doing projects is so good for him so this is a positive way to sort of deal with a situation like this let's look at it as an opportunity rather than an excuse it's great well antonia says you're cute and Daryl says he loves when you crack yourself up and throw your head back and laugh mix up my strategy yeah well you look like Alan Alda when you do that that is great so so now we're getting into some fun territory dating because I know you talked about that by the way if you haven't listened to the beat your jeans podcast it airs live every Wednesday night at 8:30 p.m. Pacific time you can listen to it on iTunes Spotify blog talk radio in it see he co-hosts now with dr. Jenn Hawk it's fabulous and there's almost 200 episodes I believe so this is from a listener of the show she wanted to remain anonymous and here's what she says I am a 62 year old divorced women no kids I'm a community college professor I had a weight problem from age 6 to 57 I've been on a whole food plant-based diet for nine years I've been consistently unlucky in love with relationships never working out it has been more than ten years since I've been on a date I get terribly hurt and I feel like I have been in hiding licking my wounds but I look better now than ever how can I get over the hurt and get back out there well it begins with actually the mechanical processes of solving the problem so the I'm remembering one of my one of my favorite movies of the last you know 15 years or so was a movie called sideways where we're this sort of goofy sweet guy it's writing a novel that's going to be his big thing in the world it gets rejected by the publisher and he doesn't really have a lot else going in his life and he's got a friend named Jack it's just really cool and handsome it just has everything and and Jack says miles you know you don't worry about the publisher who cares that they said you got to just get it out there and it's it's such a it's such a it's such a beautiful warm thing for his for his naive handsome has everything friend to say but two miles he's got more brains he's thinking what do you mean get it out there like there's no there's no way for him to get it out there there could be in today's world but there that wasn't true when they mid sideways so in the same way I'm not sure what it means to get out there in the dating world if you're you're 62 in other words we have to solve the mechanical problem of what specifically do we mean and that is if you continue to be in the same places and do the same things that you've been doing then we're likely to get the same result that we've been getting for the last several years which is isolation so instead what we want to do is we want to take advantage of the technological advances that have taken place so this is what match.com and our time and all these things are for they are they're not dating sites their introduction sites that's what's actually taking place there these are ways for you to meet people that are nearby you in a way that you would have never known that they were single and available and so this is a way for you to fix the problem so I can remember 20 years or so when I came out to California from Texas and I went about a year and a half of out of date and I was of course living with Alan Goldhamer in his basement wedding with pleasure trap haha Alan didn't want me to go out of date anyway just like the taskmaster checked in with me everyday see what progress was made yeah but finally I decided I need to do something and I went online and Alan I would get it together and he said let's let's see what's happening and there was there was match.com hidden born and so Matt's calm was the conduit for me to join the world again after a long-term relationship you know that it cost me to submit to California but it's broken up so this was a this is the way to do it this is certainly a way would there be other ways yeah join you know line dancing class country-western dancing you know Sierra Club of course there would be other things that you could do but one of the things that you can do is do the mechanical process of gritting your teeth and and joining an online service that that caters to your cohort the kind of people in the kind of relationships if you're if you're a community college professor what sounds like quite quite conservative in your personal behavior obviously and you know intelligent and accomplished etc and my conscientiousness probably tinder isn't for you okay so let's let's take the steps to put yourself in a position to meet somebody in order to make your life better okay Wow okay um I'm gonna take this question live even though it is ANCOVA because we get this a lot it's Caroline says her parents want her to visit her siblings won't allow it since they're afraid that parents will get it they're in their 60s but overall healthy should people be still kind of staying in place oh I think that I have a few things to say about this and and obviously everybody's going to have to run their own cost-benefit analysis and so what counts is what information that you have and you feed into the cosmetic analysis the just said the nature the cost-benefit analysis is what sort of driving motivation and how it how it works and the importance of the details about how we figure out those parameters to make decisions now those are some issues that dr. champaka and I have spent quite a lot of time we have a new section to our website that's coming in a sin with it's called the living wisdom library and in that we have a series of new lectures that essentially explore how to look at this end of their plight and essentially all of human dilemmas and problems through the lens of cost-benefit analysis and what is that what does that mean it means that this is what every creature does with every second of their lives is the running cost-benefit analysis they're attempting to try to figure out what's in their best interests and oftentimes the problems are are multi-dimensional there are many different values and many different threats that are involved so in this case the lady wants to visit her parents who she probably hasn't seen in a while since koban at the same time she's worried about carrying COBIT to them and then she's also worried about her siblings that they would be upset during the process or knowing that the process is taking place says how upset should she be or how concerned should she be about her siblings being upset so one of the things we do is we we reverse engineer the problem when we say well let's look at the very worst case scenario so the very worst case scenario is that you go there your parents get coded from you as carrier and they dot okay now how do you feel answer unbelievable as bad as it gets okay and in the siblings why do you have a never forgiving situation so that's that's our worst case scenario I guess even worse than that is that you die yourself so let's anchor down we begin with where the cost-benefit analysis is sort of there's a flashing red light on this cost-benefit analysis that that's actually what's rattling around the unconscious or semi-conscious is the worst-case scenario and it always is so that's the source of people's anxiety in situations about everything when your boss sort of looks at you a little annoyed via the little red light on the cost-benefit analytics system is who he's gonna fire me that she's gonna fire me that's what it is so what we want to do is rather than let that red light sort of diffusely dominate a person's emotional tone while they try to rioting gas as to what's in their best interest what we want to do this actually why don't you want to stick parameters on top of the worst-case scenario to try to see just how big of a threat it is so now we want to look at it so we want to look at for example where she located what is her parents health what do we what do we know about the situation and probably depending upon where she is where her parents are and how healthy they are it's probably extremely safe and it's absurd to be staying away at this point that's what that's what the numerical indices would tell us now that doesn't so in other words you would be perfectly responsible to visit your 60-something parents who are healthy right now yeah now are there things that you could do to mitigate the risk certainly you could take a test so you could you could take a test the day before you go visit your parents or two days before or whatever it is and get the feedback that says you're clear and you're not carrying the virus okay so now we've now done an extremely responsible thing to vastly reduce the statistical likelihood if it works this scenario okay so now that's something that we could do now what does that do for our siblings who might be rubbing their hands and anxiety about this we could tell them yes I think that they're really safe all the evidence indicates they're safe health professionals would say then you're they're safe however I am taking this extra precaution we're going to socially distance when I'm there and I also took the test and it turns out on negative okay oh well they're still worried and upset oh well okay this is where we have to run the CB in our own mind about how valuable it would be for us and our parents to have that interaction versus how much anxiety is taking place and it heads for siblings we can't live our lives as emotional hostages to people who I have not necessarily done and computed the the cost/benefit the way we have and so it's not uncommon upon us to go on bended knee to their lives so that they don't have any anxiety our job is to be reasonable about what it is that we're doing and to sort of take their feelings into account examine those feelings to figure out why they exist and then mitigate whatever risk it is that's involved obviously as we would anyway but we might take the extra step of testing ourselves before we visit parents so this is how is that we solve dilemmas like this yeah that's how I would do it I wouldn't I wouldn't stop myself at this point there's also some incidental eh-eh there's some really nice-looking evidence that is now floating around about coated the the evidence is is that there's there's very strong evidence that indicates that coca 19 is mutating and it's mutating to a more benign form this is apparently very wide you know widely known phenomenon in biology that when something starts out is very nasty and then particularly a respiratory virus that it's in the viruses sort of genetic mathematical best interest to not be as lethal and you know they would say it replicates more easily as it's a more upper respiratory phenomenon and and so it winds up being a better copying mechanism or the genes involved rather than being a very brutal virus that will kill its host so this is a sort of a bit of good news about how it is that this works and apparently there are many many experts around the world right now that are convinced that this is happening fairly substantially with respect to coated so we are hopefully in a situation as COBIT passes over the United States here in the next few weeks and it's almost done that when it reads like Lee to read merge in a much muted form is much less lethal so that's apparently already happening so anyway I think that time to visit your beloved folks if you want to and hug them as you will depending upon how everybody feels about it and maybe what your test says they love you except that you're a Virgo so I don't know if you can see all these nice comments that you're getting but in the okay great so this question from Janice starts out with I I may need to make an appointment and so because she actually said that and I think maybe she does I am gonna just post a link right here for people to make a private consultation with you and they can also of course see doctor hawk so this specific question to Janice I have heard variations of and that's why I'm going to ask it this is what she says and I know her so I know at least most of this to be true she says my husband and I have been eating whole food plant-based for eight years and we've improved it with chef AJ's ultimate weight-loss wave eating for the last five I have learned how to describe my way of eating thanks to dr. Lyle initially I was trying to convert everyone to eat this way because of the health benefits we experienced and that did not work at all I have softened and would say things like it's working for us and comments like that last December my husband had a stroke he is slowly healing and we have tightened the screws with our eating but what do I tell people I feel I can no longer tout the health benefits of this way of eating I have been told things like well if you eat so well why did Tony have a stroke being a hyper conscientious in that case I feel like I have to say something but what I always have to back the camera and and try to figure out obviously first how we got in this situation and also remembering that anybody that is is confronting us with anything like this is an outlier in terms of their personalities so we're going to keep that in mind about who we're dealing with we're not trying to argue this in front of a jury and win the fight in our village as to what the right way is to go the so I've been trying to put myself in that situation and probably my response would be well I think we maybe didn't do well enough yeah there's uh we could have done better in the publisher then Wow I expected a lot that's a very good answer I just don't know I expected something longer because I had something similar happened to me and I've been teaching cooking for 20 years now and in one of my very first classes at Whole Foods in 2003 there was 77 people and a gentleman race it was not a gentleman but a man raised his hand I thought he was gonna ask about the recipe and he literally said if the vegan diet is so great why are you so fat I didn't know you at the time how do we what do you say to that you know I mean I felt like saying must have been something I ate but you know it's it's really difficult sometimes when people are confrontational like that yes and once again that that's a that's a really rare instance where were we're in a large situation and it's emotionally charged you know there's the the disagreeable human has an utter lack tact and so this puts a speaker in in difficult circumstances the so all one can say is well I could probably do a better job than I'm doing obviously I've always got more to learn so as we there's a our natural tendency and this is a I can go on and speculate about why this is big actually I think I have found beat your genes at some point the that in an argument we feel a panic to win it the there's the village that's around us that we are designed by nature to care about so much because the village was the only people in your life and the whole life was attached to them and their opinions of you and so there's an argument and someone is essentially criticizing you and waiting in front of the village our desire is to win the argument it's it's not to have national discourse it's actually we're designed with with very relentless rhetorical devices in us to think about where the weaknesses in their argument and pound on that to figure out how we're going to criticize them etc in other words we feel a surge of adrenaline and we feel under attack and like an animal under attack yeah we're dangerous and so that's human nature because the village is not going to last they're not that interested in our fight with this person and so as a result they're not interested in a long drawn-out you know explanation and and slicing and dicing of the issues they want to just see who wins and that's why it is that we are built with these rapid-fire intense responses under criticism now it turns out that very often let's talk about what the very best move is versus the very worst move or the worst outcomes need the very best move for people the most satisfying move would be to take out an axe and just cleave their argument in one in one swoop or just leave them I would like to sometimes just clean them well I wasn't gonna say that AJ but you just go right in and say it's not it's on you okay so this is this is sort of our nature that we would like to win this right then because their attack is unjust and they're out of line and they're essentially threatening or status in the village and so our desire is to eliminate them or annihilate them convinced it the if you can then you probably will so your good friend Steve middleman the comic could probably do that just about anybody no it's because he's he is a professional comic and a wit like that he can probably find exactly the right response in two seconds and deliberate I mean I can't I'm not a professional comic I'm not a professional you know attorney or arguer or anything like that I don't have that so what I learned was I actually learned a system we're dealing with hecklers and I learned this from the cognitive behavioral therapist David Burns and the first thing he says is the first thing you do is you thank them for their comment okay and the second thing you do is you say that they've got a point and the third thing that you say is that you know more research would need to be done on the topic and the fourth thing that you say is you could talk to them afterwards that is the anti heckle technique so what we see in the anti heckler technique is the outline of this is that the person who's making that comment is inherently SCOTUS sufficient it doesn't mean that they are not an aggressive sob but they are feeling a status deficiency so they're attempting to get a bunch of status in the village by taking us down so the first thing we do is we give them a little bit of status right when our instincts say that we want to take out the axe and shock their status to bits so we're going to go against instinct and we're going to say I hear your comment now you've got a point okay you know the truth is is that I've got more to learn about this and yeah I am learning and I'm trying to share that but if you if you've got any additional ideas maybe we ought to meet afterwards and you could fill me in and maybe that would have been the structure of what would have been said to that individual now that takes the wind out of their sails but it doesn't create an adversarial situation so I would say of the times that I've been attacked as a lecturer which it probably happened not that often maybe 15 or 20 times in 25 years I would say that I have successfully done that about 50 percent of the time and it worked perfectly and the other 50% the time AJ I went after him what it asks and it doesn't it's not good in other words even when I win I lose because spend the next I spend the next week with that conversation and that incident rattling around in my head I worry what other people think of me I think about you know the whole situation I got dragged into the mud by by essentially an emotional thug and I bid on it okay so this is this is something that we we try to learn that's why we call our podcast Jan and I would call it feature genes with Nathan girl it's all about trying to figure out what's in your nature that you might be able to do better than your nature okay and including eating natural food when the junk food is here including getting ourselves away from the TV when it's full of exciting and disturbing carnage and instead go about out in the backyard and you know please supernal all right lies around the residence and put on Glenn Miller okay so in other words what are we going to do to beat our genes when someone attacks us the if we acknowledge them and at point see that this got some truth in it that we have more to learn if there's me you know that we don't know it all and then hey you know things could be done better then it's done and we don't wind up having to replay this thing 150 times so that's the idea anti heckler technique david burns in feeling good the biggest best-selling book and clogging of behavioral therapy in history i actually saw you once in a mcdougal advance sunny weekend being challenged by i'm not gonna say the name but a prominent person and you handled it very well and then I've also seen you angry at one time and I don't want to ever see that guy again I just saw it no it's a it's a it's a fork in the road it's sometimes I take their long fork right well this is an interesting post from Jessica who's watching live on this question she said chunk of brand new vegan I believe that's a blog had a stroke eating this way but his doctor said if he hadn't been eating this way it could have been much worse so maybe when the guy called me fat I instead with if the vegan died so great why are you so fat Ike I said you should have seen me before I was vegan yeah yeah I this is there was more to learn and and the truth is we go back and we do a post-mortem of that incident the the anti heckler technique would have been right on target in other words hey you got a point you know I can't quite thank you for that comment but I can't agree that you got a point and the truth is I've got more to learn and that's my job is to improve done okay so now now we took care of it now you still walk away with the word feelings but there was more to learn and so as sooner or later you did AJ and you learned and you did a great job thank you so we've got so many questions do you have a preference we have one about teenagers and antidepressants we have one about reintroducing trigger foods and we have one from a husband whose wife is obsessed with 30 you 30 year old something youtubers and taking medical advice from them is there one that you prefer me to ask no just started okay I'll ask this one cuz I not that I favor men it's just it it's so it's so nice that women you know writing questions it's I know it's a man because the name is Connor my wife who turns 50 this year is obsessed with these thin pretty 30-something youtubers who lost weight using the start solution many of them include things in their diets like alcohol peanut butter avocado breads and flours that work for their young age and metabolism that never have worked for my wife they have no medical degree so why does she listen to them instead of dr. mcdougal oh that's a really good question the the the answer is is that that people people are looking to this is an imitative function in humans so we're designed by nature to imitate successful people that's what we do success leaves Clues and so we think that if we use the oil of olay the christine crawford uses then that's us the I can remember as a kid one of my little heroes for a while as a young teenager was Joe Namath who seemed to be tremendously cool and I can't I can't remember what he had I think he had some kind of shoes and that I was interested in having those shoes so one of the all-time iconic commercials in history is an incredibly huge heartwarming commercial called be like Mike and it's a story of Michael Jordan and you can see these little tiny kids it's unbelievable little kid that's about two years old is trying to dribble a basketball and Michael is guarding him and he's you know the interaction between them is priceless and so the be like Mike so that's what she's doing she's trying to be like Mike Michelle or whoever is whoever is the the pretty thin thirty year old is and so it's understandable it's an imitative function and I I have obviously at my age my I must most of my all of my female friends are are you know over 40 and so the the humor is whenever there's an ad on a billboard or in a magazine or an Internet or anything that's entertaining and I'm with one of these people the joke is that oh the you know I want to know what you know that the magic thing is that she's putting on her face it's like well what she's putting on her face is 25 year old skin that's what she's putting on her face so but the but the notion is that we could buy it and that we could imitate it and that we would have similar outcomes that's a natural human imitative function imitation in decision making is actually seen not only in humans it's actually seen throughout the animal kingdom it's been seen as in animals as as simple as simple as literally imitative mating choices in the in tropical fish that is so in other words if there's a you have a few females start to go for one of the tropical fish the other females will start to go for that same guy and you can it's in it's an amazing thing to see the importance of imitative decision-making in nature so that's what he's saying he's seeing his wife getting trapped by a natural neural circuit which is follow the success and try to imitate it try to be like Mike or try to be like Mike Michele it's not her fault she's just got a little hook in her mouth and she's not apparently gonna be able to eat the peanut butter on the dizzy get bread and stay thin so maybe she needs to be listening to AJ instead you just basically blew the lid off Madison Avenue you just explained advertising incredible because the reason this cream works is because the person's skin is 25 years old and maybe the reason this diet works is because the person's body is 25 years old of course you got oh my god the questions I mean I just had my assistant well actually not my assistant my husband it's like right off the presses so until I have a chance to read this one I'm going to go with one that I already have and this is long so but it I think it's a good one it's from somebody that's a nurse practitioner I'm just gonna paraphrase her name is Tamara and she's a nurse practitioner in an endocrinology practice where the doctor does try to use lifestyle medicine to help the people either prevent them from going on insulin or get them off the insulin but a lot of the people they work with they're old they have a lot of body fat and they're as she says brittle diabetics and what she's saying is she says dr. Lisle I'm a huge fan of your podcast and I do believe I understand the concept you teach called the ego trap that if we set the bar too high people will fail and kick over the table and not even try but what do I do with my patients for whom just doing a little bit better isn't good enough for example they're brittle diabetics they've been on insulin for years and a B or even a b-plus diet is not enough to reverse their insulin resistance when you identify somebody that does need to be perfect is there a way to work with them to keep them out of the ego trap does this question make sense to you yes it does however I would tell her that probably in an outpatient practice with normal folks that even with that with a doc that's they're doing it his or her best to try to encourage lifestyle medicine the the success rate we to be very low let me so let's keep let's keep the bar reasonable for her I've said that making these kinds of dietary changes these are unusual decisions for people who may to go against the your natural proclivities in this environment with this kind of opportunity because it's available this is there's nothing wrong with an individual that does this all wrong whether it's their their their nervous systems are functioning perfectly as they chomp on the cheeseburger they're following their instincts and and to get them to not follow their instincts and go directly against their instincts is is an unusual like that it takes unusual personalities along with unusual motivation now if they are in there with big trouble then they may have unusual motivation good but that doesn't mean they have unusual personalities so your your task is to essentially save your energy or for the individuals that have the biggest chance that means we we sprinkle the information on everybody's head and then once in a while somebody take takes the bait okay they're more interested they want to know more those are the individuals that we spend our time and energy encouraging and explaining how you know the magnitude of what really needs to be done in order for them to see a large and very meaningful effect small changes will get small improvements large changes can get very large improvements with that population and that's where we explain okay the people some people are not interested at all in many changes in fact most people without the interested in making changes the fact that they would like to all the healthy and that they could all be healthy it's not relevant and this is the one of the of the great puzzles of angst and consternation and confusion in the whole lifestyle arena is the fact that even number one that that the message can't get out very far can only has a very limited distance that this message can travel in terms of what percentage of people are receptive at all and the second issue is even those that are receptive and interested in have some motivation they modest percentage of people not a tiny percentage but only a modest percentage make substantial lasting changes that that has been analyzed and commented by all kinds of folks and their commentaries are almost entirely incorrect the notion is is that they've got motivational blocks they've got issues they got condition and childhood eat cookies for Grandma that's comfort food blah blah blah blah blah or they've got histories that make them self destructive okay for some reason none of this is true okay this is why you know twenty years ago I was hunched over a computer and Alan Goldhamer spaceman lighting a book called the pleasure trap and the story the pleasure trout is this that it is very difficult the last sentence of that book explains that this is a difficult path it's the most rewarding but most difficult path to choose and so this person this practice that has that sounds like a very unusually good job and it means that she is saying yeah she's working with the doctor who is conducive them and alert for this issue that's as good as it gets unless you're working at a at a high power in impatient transformational place at like Baskin escape of True North where people pay their money and take their time to you know fly across the country and join them at Google program or engine to or etc in other words and there's a difference of the people that walk through the door that practice who are a little bit interested in a little bit motivated and people that come to one of our conferences AJ who are extremely motive and are putting their money in their mouths same place okay and even those we know we have to help and many many people started so don't despair your job is to sprinkle the informational dust and promise on each person because we never know who may be the special one that actually grabs hold of this and either today or sometime in their tomorrows will more make a substantial effort on substantial change we give them all the same message the message is little changes we'll give you a little improvement a big change though I'm confident we give you a very big improvement and a new lease on life okay and here's how you would do this and this is where you can get some help that's how we do it and when they come back and they want to know more than we know we've got one of the red ones about don't despair over the fact that most people won't because this is a difficult and unusual path to choose right I I just want in again we don't have time for this today but one time you talked about how that I think people have to have a little bit realistic expectations that if if a bead that some people have to be more stringent just like maybe the gentleman that had the stroke to get the same results right I mean and and if they had a session with you maybe you could identify their personality to see because like I mean I'm always getting called out and put it in the same group as dr. gold hammer for being perfect but the way I eat it's easy for me and so there probably are people that have personalities for which an abstinence based approach or a more a plus diet would work without getting in the ego trap so maybe if you help them identify if they're that kind of person absolutely well that's what that's what we also are trying to give instruction Jen and I on on video Jen's going to be doing some more video essentially because we want people to have in one place sort of a way to self instruct so that they don't have to call us okay so yeah so we want to have as much information as possible so that people can and get moving in a good direction and have some some new insights but then if you can't and if you additional help that's what we're here for right and Wanda said while it true north I had a session with dr. Lyle made a huge difference in understanding my personality versus those of people who have been rude to me and the same thing when I met dr. Lyle in January of 2011 the first thing he did was my personality and and I never stopped having sessions so here's the link if you want to try it it's it's so great because it's so personalized to you and it's not like going to a regular therapist we're gonna say tell me about your mother it's like exciting it's fun it's like it's just just the best like going to Disneyland if dr. Lyle was a ride he'd probably be Pirates of the Caribbean because that's my favorite ride so we like to dr. Lao there's so many more questions and I'm hoping you'll come back but we do like to ask our guests a kind of fun question at the end because then it gets people to feel like they know you a little better and that is it during this time or any time people love to know what you're reading and if you're watching anything on TV or Netflix I know I once heard you say you were a fan of Hawaii five-o and bewitch but is there anything you're currently watching or reading that you could share with us I am watching lost that the the show that was done you know in the early 2000s and I'm on about I'm on season one about nine or ten and it's a fascinating show people that I would plane-crash it's actually it's a it's a remarkable stories involving it there's it's magical processes which I'm fine with HEA I've got I know I'm the Virgo but I have just enough openness that I'm willing to I'm willing to have some magical stuff in my fiction and so it's got some magical stuff that there's a there's a there's a deeply moral personal transformational process of that the characters are attempting to sort of transcend some of their own limitations and I think that it's uh so so far I'm excited and interested in sighs the scenery is just beautiful so that's what you're watching right what are you reading because every book you've recommended to me has you've recommended three so far the write I think is called the rational optimist something like that irrational is something or other right that one you recommend how I found freedom in an unfree world and blueprint in every book you've recommended to me has been an amazing book yes no AG I read in streaks so there I've read recently blueprint and then also an extraordinary work called human diversity by charles murray i don't actually recommend it it's it's very Academical and it's it's a deep exploration of individual differences in in human nature based on a lot larger our genetic code it's in other words it's sort of a follow up the blueprint blueprints also no day at the beach but people who are maybe more academically oriented and would be interested in that sort of thing these two things blueprint and human diversity are our extraordinary works of research and and synthesis by - two of our great minds and so I read this recently and I'm still digesting them when I read a big one AJ it's like it's like eating you know it's like eating a big big vegan meal you just got to sit there for a while and not do anything just let it percolate so that's what I'm doing right now that's amazing well what's nice about blueprint is it comes on audible yes good oh well believe me there's a lot of genes and single nucleotide pairs and there's a lot of mumbo-jumbo in there that I don't understand but there's passages where you can glean what the message is that anybody could so yeah now I'm taking the break in my my mind so on you know watching watching a beautiful young people do do things in a beautiful place that are meaningful that's what I'm doing that's what that's what loss looks like to me so so far so good it's really fun talking to you dr. Lyle and I hope you come back as soon as possible and what I'll do is I won't announce it and I'll save these questions to give them priority perfect that's okay everybody thanks so much for being here come back tomorrow at 11:00 a.m. when I will be interviewing David Carter he is known as the 300-pound vegan he is an NFL football player that is so vegan and he's gonna be amazing and just know that occasionally a guest cancels so sometimes somebody will sub but that's who we have scheduled right now and please go to a beat your jeans dot i think it's calm rebate org and check out the podcast my favorite episode is episode 161 and if you haven't read the pleasure trap as dr. Goldhamer says it's a book that tells ya maybe not what you want to know but what you need to hear thanks again always always dr. Lao it's so fun talking to you Oh AJ thanks for having me okay hi everybody
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